As if Patcher wasn't enough.

Yeah, that's why the Gamecube and the Nintendo 64 sold bucket loads...

You know as well as everyone else here that Mario, Zelda and Kirby are not the reasons why the Wii sold as well as it did.

Games like WiiSports, WiiFit and WiiPlay are why. Soon to possibly add WiiParty to that list.

Those other games means shit when it come to the why the Wii was as much of a  success as it currently is. You think if you take away WiiFit, WiiParty and WiiSports that the Wii would be at 70M plus right now?

@Euphoria  I was thinking about going there but im glad you did. Hope you realized you opened pandora's box

I only told the truth.

If what the OP assumes is the truth actually is, well, then the N64 and Gamecube would have been resounding commercial successes due to those franchises that EVERYONE wants, but unfortunately the past has shown that that is not the case.

If the Wii released and followed the same path as the GC and N64, focusing primarily on those franchises only, the Wii would not be where it is today, and they can not refute that what so ever.

Which is still a Nintendo Franchise... nobody makes better versions of "new style" entertainment then Nintendo.

Which is the real issue Move and Kinnect will have.  Will the companies who struck out on the Wii suddenly be able to make good motion based games?  Seems... unlikely.

Which means it's going to be all on Sony and Microsoft's back to create the killer applications to get people interested.

Everyone bought a Wii because of Wii sports, wii fits and the like.  All the clones of said Wii franchises sell worse... and even sell worse then the Nintendo Core games.  There is something Nintendo has with it's software that's going to be hard for Sony and Microsoft to duplicate.

Will the Sony and Microsoft copies bring in the buisness... or will they be just like all the third party wii software that copies the Wii and just not have the juice for some reason.  It should be interesting to see.

If you read the whole OP, you would know I was just posting an article. Jim Sterling of Destructoid wrote that, not me.

BTW, Mario is one of the reasons for the Wii's success, just the 2D Mario game (got sales up holidays last year), not the Galaxy games.

I disagree. Sales show that the 3rd parties have different demographics to target on the PS/360 than they did on the Wii.

For example, on the Wii the 3rd parties would need to attempt and create that real hardcore  FPS crowd, or Hack and Slash crowd, etc.. yet on the PS/360 they are already there, so they can create games that incorporate both styles on play (Controller and Motion) and still experience success while on the Wii it was more of an "All of Nothing" gamble.

Different situation here my friend.

My apologies the, but from what I read it seemed like the part I quoted was what you added in yourself.

As for the underlined sentence, that is irrelevant since the Wii was already a resounding success before SMBWii was even 2 years before release. It was a success long before SMBWii was even announced, so 2D Mario had zero to do with why people flocked to the Wii.

@Kasz216 I for one did not buy a Wii for those games. I hate them. I bought Wii cause I thought that I would get a unique experience. Which I sorta did, but it became readily apparent that the actual tech kinda blows. Thats why i have an interest in Move and in a lesser extent Kinect because if the tech works (in Move's case everyone says it does) they can make better games. I will admit that it will be an uphill battle for MS & Sony for core gamers like me I support the better fidelity of their motion controls. I think gamers in general should

I hate to agree with you since it goes against my argument, even though I know that I do not equal the majority. I bought my Wii for Zelda.

I also can't wait for Skyward Sword.