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Salnax on 08 September 2010

The fact that they're taking delight in breaking the law bugs me, but so long as those were their Quarans to begin with, I see no harm. In fact, if this becomes a trend, the sales of Quarans will skyrocket, leading to more people reading it and becoming Muslim.



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DrStephenTColbert on 08 September 2010
badgenome said:
DrStephenTColbert said:

Technically, everyone is right.  While the Supreme Court ruled (in the 70's I think) that burning the American flag was constitutionally protected, congress passed a law a couple of years ago (I'm thinking 2006) making the burning of the American flag illegal.  Funny thing is that the Flag Code states that any flag that is no longer fit should be destroyed by fire, as flags aren't supposed to end up at the town dump.

No, sir. The Supreme Court struck down all anti flag burning legislation in 1989, and again 1990. In 2006, there was an attempt to override the Supreme Court by amending the Constitution, but it failed in the Senate.

Thanks for the clarification man.  I appreciate it.



Lostplanet22 on 08 September 2010

Well it took not that long..



 

badgenome on 08 September 2010
DrStephenTColbert said:
badgenome said:
DrStephenTColbert said:

Technically, everyone is right.  While the Supreme Court ruled (in the 70's I think) that burning the American flag was constitutionally protected, congress passed a law a couple of years ago (I'm thinking 2006) making the burning of the American flag illegal.  Funny thing is that the Flag Code states that any flag that is no longer fit should be destroyed by fire, as flags aren't supposed to end up at the town dump.

No, sir. The Supreme Court struck down all anti flag burning legislation in 1989, and again 1990. In 2006, there was an attempt to override the Supreme Court by amending the Constitution, but it failed in the Senate.

Thanks for the clarification man.  I appreciate it.

It only failed by one or two votes, IIRC, so you were close!



perpride on 08 September 2010

The whole scenario involving making a mosque on ground zero, and now this scenario with wanting to burn the Quran, really shows me how immature both groups are.

Sadly, we are just as pathetic as them for arguing over this nonsense.



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DrStephenTColbert on 08 September 2010
badgenome said:
DrStephenTColbert said:
badgenome said:
DrStephenTColbert said:

Technically, everyone is right.  While the Supreme Court ruled (in the 70's I think) that burning the American flag was constitutionally protected, congress passed a law a couple of years ago (I'm thinking 2006) making the burning of the American flag illegal.  Funny thing is that the Flag Code states that any flag that is no longer fit should be destroyed by fire, as flags aren't supposed to end up at the town dump.

No, sir. The Supreme Court struck down all anti flag burning legislation in 1989, and again 1990. In 2006, there was an attempt to override the Supreme Court by amending the Constitution, but it failed in the Senate.

Thanks for the clarification man.  I appreciate it.

It only failed by one or two votes, IIRC, so you were close!

I remember reading an interview with John Paul Stevens where he said that the flag burning supreme court decision was the only one he felt badly about.  He voted to ban the flag burning, but was outvoted (7-2, I think).  After it was made legal, he said, the effect was opposite to what he expected.  Less people burned the flag because it wasn't an act of civil disobedience.  Some people, it would appear, burned the flag so that they could go to jail for their beliefs.



NKAJ on 08 September 2010

Stupid people on both sides,the community centre "mosque" shouldn't be built because it is insensitive and provocative and neither should the Koran burning take place.Still,it seems people in the middle east are always getting offended...the whole Danish cartoons incident was an example of massive stupidity...it was just a bunch of cartoons,plenty of cartoons have featured other religious leaders but oh no,this one is "special"



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sapphi_snake on 08 September 2010
Lostplanet22 said:

Sounds like a good idea but it is not really helping.. The population still grew last year in China with 16 million; it only helps making the government richer...Not that is bad ofcourse;

Could be in fact good for countries who are having a huge debt.

Considering that China has a population of about 1.2 billion, the fact that laste year 16 million babies were born isn't such a huge deal. China has a birth rate of 14. That's nothing compared to the countries in the top 10 birth rate inthe world (these countries being third world African countries where people don't have access to birth control methods):

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-highest-birth-rates.html



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Kasz216 on 08 September 2010
steverhcp02 said:

Sounds like these SPECIFIC people are doing something stupid in the name of their religion. Just like those SPECIFIC people on 9/11 did something (obviously more) stupid in the name of their religon.

Bottomline, lots of people are fucking dumb regardless of religion.

The thing that ive taken away from this, people like Mafoo who obviously have an agenda have compromised parts of their logic and humanity for politically watered down reasons which has resulted in an argument youd see on a preschool playground.

As someone else pointed out, is it illegal to be a jerk? No, but why not error on the side of being kind? Is climate change "real" Who the fuck knows, but why not error on the side of safety? Sure it may be legal, but why not be a bigger person and not argue in favor of giving people ammunition (even if its not justified) when they know its only going to cause problems? The fact that they are essentially going against a hallmark and pillar of Christ's turn the other cheek teaching makes it more laughable.....but whats really disturbing is the results in this thread going great distances to try to explain why this SHOULD happen.

We can get into link wars pointing out crazies from each others "sides" but honestly? Why cant some of you just be above it. Just because somethings within mans law doesnt mean it should be done, I'd hope everyone regardless of religious preference or political party can draw the correlation that doing things out of spite knowing they are meant to incite is just wrong. 

As others have said, if its within the law we only have ethos to argue over. But the chirch and these people get nothing productive out of doing this. It fosters hatred, is an unhealthy way of coping and accomplishes nothing. It really shouldnt even be debatable since there is really no underlying benefit to this as there is with the Mosque at all other than hatred.

Just be nice to people and dont do mean things even if youre allowed. How about that?

And... you totally missed Mafoo's point.  Which was just that.  Everyone has the right to be a jerk but shouldn't.  He was just pointing out another case of it for people who were defending someones right to be a jerk.



Chrizum on 08 September 2010
Kasz216 said:
steverhcp02 said:

Sounds like these SPECIFIC people are doing something stupid in the name of their religion. Just like those SPECIFIC people on 9/11 did something (obviously more) stupid in the name of their religon.

Bottomline, lots of people are fucking dumb regardless of religion.

The thing that ive taken away from this, people like Mafoo who obviously have an agenda have compromised parts of their logic and humanity for politically watered down reasons which has resulted in an argument youd see on a preschool playground.

As someone else pointed out, is it illegal to be a jerk? No, but why not error on the side of being kind? Is climate change "real" Who the fuck knows, but why not error on the side of safety? Sure it may be legal, but why not be a bigger person and not argue in favor of giving people ammunition (even if its not justified) when they know its only going to cause problems? The fact that they are essentially going against a hallmark and pillar of Christ's turn the other cheek teaching makes it more laughable.....but whats really disturbing is the results in this thread going great distances to try to explain why this SHOULD happen.

We can get into link wars pointing out crazies from each others "sides" but honestly? Why cant some of you just be above it. Just because somethings within mans law doesnt mean it should be done, I'd hope everyone regardless of religious preference or political party can draw the correlation that doing things out of spite knowing they are meant to incite is just wrong. 

As others have said, if its within the law we only have ethos to argue over. But the chirch and these people get nothing productive out of doing this. It fosters hatred, is an unhealthy way of coping and accomplishes nothing. It really shouldnt even be debatable since there is really no underlying benefit to this as there is with the Mosque at all other than hatred.

Just be nice to people and dont do mean things even if youre allowed. How about that?

And... you totally missed Mafoo's point.  Which was just that.  Everyone has the right to be a jerk but shouldn't.  He was just pointing out another case of it for people who were defending someones right to be a jerk.

I think you missed Mafoo's point. Which was that it was clever to burn the quran because it 'promotes freedom of religion'.