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NiKKoM said:

outsells =/= outsold

he's talking about now.. last quarter..


And I'm shocked no-one apart from Nikkom realised this.



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darthdevidem01 said:
NiKKoM said:

outsells =/= outsold

he's talking about now.. last quarter..


And I'm shocked no-one apart from Nikkom realised this.

There're people who realised this, but either way it's irrelevant for the same reason numerous people including me in the thread have mentioned.



Much more interested in how much money Apple make from videogames on the app store, and what kind of % that is of the portable games market.

The fact that iPod Touch, a portable multimedia (mainly music) player from an enormous corporation such as Apple, currently outsells two 5 year old game devices is no surprise to me.



mai said:

There're people who realised this, but either way it's irrelevant for the same reason numerous people including me in the thread have mentioned.


Apple's comments at their keynote are as irrelevant or relevant as Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft's comments e.g. about npd data.

The iOS devices are imho indeed a threat to Nintendo and Sony regarding mobile gaming.



Ingmar said:


Apple's comments at their keynote are as irrelevant or relevant as Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft's comments e.g. about npd data.

The iOS devices are imho indeed a threat to Nintendo and Sony regarding mobile gaming.

No, they aren't. But recent Reggie's comments about DS games as "full meals" compared to whatever found on iOS are indeed irrelevant.

That's a whole different topic, the comparison though is bullocks, just give us numbers.



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darthdevidem01 said:
Doobie_wop said:

Nearly all Nokia phones from 1997 to 2008 has the game Snake on them. Nokia has the best selling game console of all time.


False nearly every PC sold has minesweeper on it

Microsoft has the best selling games console of all time!


Nearly everyone on earth can dance to some sort of user generated rhythm. Human Dance Revolution is the best selling game in the world, mankind is the best selling games console of all time!!!!!



Bet with Conegamer and AussieGecko that the PS3 will have more exclusives in 2011 than the Wii or 360... or something.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3879752

mai said:

Ingmar said:


Apple's comments at their keynote are as irrelevant or relevant as Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft's comments e.g. about npd data.

The iOS devices are imho indeed a threat to Nintendo and Sony regarding mobile gaming.

No, they aren't. But recent Reggie's comments about DS games as "full meals" compared to whatever found on iOS are indeed irrelevant.

That's a whole different topic, the comparison though is bullocks, just give us numbers.

Let's hope that Nintendo and Sony are not acting that nearsighted. WP7 gaming is about to start, too.



I don't get what the point of his claim is. Showing off? Its still irrelevant to anyone who actually 'games'.

 

Games on the Ipod Touch aren't anything more than something you do to kill a few minutes while you're working, waiting, shitting, etc. Most people aren't 'simple' enough to actually be able to make a hobby out of sitting around one-handing their hand-held music player and its one note games. Nintendo and Sony CAN do this, Apple can't. 

 

Besides. companies like Hasbro have made/distributed an amount of games that vastly overshadows anything Apple has done in the 'gaming' industry... but if they came out and made the announcement, who would care? Its still irrelevant. Unless Apple actually comes out and releases a dedicated console or handheld, they aren't even in the same industry.... Its like McDonalds saying they're winning the race this gen because they've distributed billions more 'toys' this generation than Apple, Sony, MS, Nintendo, etc.



famousringo said:

He's talking about current sales rates, not total lifetime sales.

Weekly DS and PSP sales are running around 350k per week these days.

Sales of iOS devices are running around 230k per day, or 1.6 million per week.

If iPod Touch = 22% or more of iOS sales, then statement = true.

It's really not as outlandish a statement as it sounds. DS and PSP are well past their peak, and the iPod Touch is still gaining steam as the hardware and software environment get stronger every year. One of the nice things about iterating your product every year is that saturation becomes a much smaller problem.

Edit: Sigh, fixed my use of the unsupported plus sign. No wonder these forums can be so negative.


Your statement is extremely skeweed by the iPhone 4 launch, and current iOS device weekly sales are half that.  Those sales also include the iPad and more importantly the iPhone, and last numbers given show the iPhone is alone more than 70% of iOS sales, making it extremely unlikely that the iPod Touch makes it up to even 20% of the total iOS sales.

To compound this, there were only 32 million iPod Touches sold by the end of 2009, which was 2.25 years of sales. We can safely assume the device is nearing or has passed 40 million by now, but that does make it a fraction of total DS sales and nowhere near as fast-selling a device.

But wait, there's more! iOS software just passed the PSP in gaming revenue this year. source. Again, this is across all iOS devices, of which the iPod is less than 30%. Oh but it gets better, that's pure revenue, not actual profit, and it's not even 1/6 of the revnue of DS software. In addition, matching PSP software revnue is a joke, as PSP software revenue is already a joke itself. The PSP is a software profits disaster. It's like being slightly less radioactive than Chernobyl. I'm not even done yet! Almost 50% of the revenue on the iOS store comes from the top 5 selling games! Leaving almost no sales for lower-end apps and developers.

In conclusion, not only is the iPod Touch not competitive in weekly or lifetime hardware sales, but the iOS as a whole is not a competitive gaming platform in software sales. This is a joke of PR, and absolutely silly statement that is both untrue and misleading as to the platform's validity as a gaming device. You should not be focusing on iOS games unless you plan to make Doodle Jump, Angry Birds, or Fruit Ninja. /thread



Oh man this is like the time Atari said the Jaguar was 64 bit.



"To play or not to play, that is the question."- A wise man

 

Lifetime sales prediction

Wii 79/150 million

Xbox 360 47.7/73 Million

PS3 43.6/69 Million