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joeorc on 28 August 2010
Cheebee said:
joeorc said:
Metallicube said:

Move and Kinect will fail, because they are both missing a (different) key component in what made the Wii a success.What Wii had that made it a success was a combination of the quality content of the games that appealed to the masses, coupled with the novelty of the motion controls.

Kinect has their own motion control novelty, but the games themselves look awful.

Move seems to have more of the quality games, but is missing that novelty facotr that will draw attention to it (as it is an exact replica of the Wiimote w/motion plus.)

 

the problem is your only looking at it based on just the Wii, and not what it offer's outside of the Wii dynamic. Both the Move and Kinect both offer thing's that the Wii or Wii motion plus does not.and since their not out yet it's kind of early to say will fail. like it's pre destined or something..lol

not at all and even these guy's from MIT also disagree with that take on their type of motion control tech...I see many on here still think of it as an exact replica of the Wiimote w/motion plus..that is not the case at all because the Wii is missing 2 key element's that the Playstation move has  and the one the Modus motion control system has.

because if it was a replica as you said that's as bad as someone saying that the Wii is just a refurbished Game cube  which it's not.

(This also @ Leo-J)

See, I get your point, but Metallicube's comment only underlines the problem with Move. You, me, and other 'core' gamers who follow this kind of thing know about it. We know what the tech is like, what it can and can't do.

However, all others (say, 99% of humankind), does not. They're not 'core' gamers, and even if they do play games, it's only casually. They have no knowledge of Move nor its technology. They simply look at the device and its games, and so far, both share A LOT of similarities with Wii.

These are the customers Nintendo has been succesfully capturing since it launched DS, and the customers Sony and Microsoft are falling over themselves trying to cater to. To THESE people, Move = Wiimote ( w/ MotionPlus), regardless of whether it's true or not. It's all bout the games and public perception, and Sony aren't really making an effort to change Move's perception. They even modeled the Move controller and subcontroller after the Wiimote and Nunchuk, even of they don't look 100% the same, even trying to deny that is just silly. The fact that they're releasing clones of popular Wii blockbusters isn't helping, either.

Once again, Move is not the same as Wii, we know that, but the vast, vast majority of the rest of the world doesn't. And it doesn't seem like Sony will try to change that anytime soon.

but that is the point what your trying to imply the perception of the consensus = what it is..by the majority which is not the case at all. say for instance is someone called the Move a Wii clone or an exact replica of the wii or wii motion plus would you tell them it's not the case at all or would you just let it go?

that's the point i think people are going to have this perception of thing's does not they are right and it does not mean it's true.

it just means they have not learned enough about it.



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Cheebee on 28 August 2010
joeorc said:
Cheebee said:

(This also @ Leo-J)

See, I get your point, but Metallicube's comment only underlines the problem with Move. You, me, and other 'core' gamers who follow this kind of thing know about it. We know what the tech is like, what it can and can't do.

However, all others (say, 99% of humankind), does not. They're not 'core' gamers, and even if they do play games, it's only casually. They have no knowledge of Move nor its technology. They simply look at the device and its games, and so far, both share A LOT of similarities with Wii.

These are the customers Nintendo has been succesfully capturing since it launched DS, and the customers Sony and Microsoft are falling over themselves trying to cater to. To THESE people, Move = Wiimote ( w/ MotionPlus), regardless of whether it's true or not. It's all bout the games and public perception, and Sony aren't really making an effort to change Move's perception. They even modeled the Move controller and subcontroller after the Wiimote and Nunchuk, even of they don't look 100% the same, even trying to deny that is just silly. The fact that they're releasing clones of popular Wii blockbusters isn't helping, either.

Once again, Move is not the same as Wii, we know that, but the vast, vast majority of the rest of the world doesn't. And it doesn't seem like Sony will try to change that anytime soon.

but that is the point what your trying to imply the perception of the consensus = what it is..by the majority which is not the case at all. say for instance is someone called the Move a Wii clone or an exact replica of the wii or wii motion plus would you tell them it's not the case at all or would you just let it go?

that's the point i think people are going to have this perception of thing's does not they are right and it does not mean it's true.

it just means they have not learned enough about it.

Yes well, my point being that people are going to think Move = Wii, unless Sony make an effort to change that perception.

People aren't going to try and find out more about a product if they're not interested in the first place, and they're not going to be interested in it if they think it's very similar to Wii. Thus making it Sony's mission to make sure people know what Move is and what makes it stand apart from the competition. Consumers aren't obligated to go and learn about a product they think doesn't interests them. They will not invest valuable time and effort into researching something like that, if the image they're receiving from the get-go is that Move is basically Wii.

That's Sony's job. And like I said, so far they haven't been doing a good one, what with the physical form of the device and its games. To the general public, Move = Wii, whether you, me, or Sony likes it or not.



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kopstudent89 on 28 August 2010
Cheebee said:
joeorc said:
Metallicube said:

Move and Kinect will fail, because they are both missing a (different) key component in what made the Wii a success.What Wii had that made it a success was a combination of the quality content of the games that appealed to the masses, coupled with the novelty of the motion controls.

Kinect has their own motion control novelty, but the games themselves look awful.

Move seems to have more of the quality games, but is missing that novelty facotr that will draw attention to it (as it is an exact replica of the Wiimote w/motion plus.)

 

the problem is your only looking at it based on just the Wii, and not what it offer's outside of the Wii dynamic. Both the Move and Kinect both offer thing's that the Wii or Wii motion plus does not.and since their not out yet it's kind of early to say will fail. like it's pre destined or something..lol

not at all and even these guy's from MIT also disagree with that take on their type of motion control tech...I see many on here still think of it as an exact replica of the Wiimote w/motion plus..that is not the case at all because the Wii is missing 2 key element's that the Playstation move has  and the one the Modus motion control system has.

because if it was a replica as you said that's as bad as someone saying that the Wii is just a refurbished Game cube  which it's not.

(This also @ Leo-J)

See, I get your point, but Metallicube's comment only underlines the problem with Move. You, me, and other 'core' gamers who follow this kind of thing know about it. We know what the tech is like, what it can and can't do.

However, all others (say, 99% of humankind), does not. They're not 'core' gamers, and even if they do play games, it's only casually. They have no knowledge of Move nor its technology. They simply look at the device and its games, and so far, both share A LOT of similarities with Wii.

These are the customers Nintendo has been succesfully capturing since it launched DS, and the customers Sony and Microsoft are falling over themselves trying to cater to. To THESE people, Move = Wiimote ( w/ MotionPlus), regardless of whether it's true or not. It's all bout the games and public perception, and Sony aren't really making an effort to change Move's perception. They even modeled the Move controller and subcontroller after the Wiimote and Nunchuk, even of they don't look 100% the same, even trying to deny that is just silly. The fact that they're releasing clones of popular Wii blockbusters isn't helping, either.

Once again, Move is not the same as Wii, we know that, but the vast, vast majority of the rest of the world doesn't. And it doesn't seem like Sony will try to change that anytime soon.


Totally agree, the move looks destined to fail(market wise) for the reasons you've said. And i dont think many even care about the extra features. Kinect might be different though, as it looks like a different experience, but i dont see wii like numbers for the 360 for that matter. I really do believe though that the 3DS is  the next major gaming device that will have a gigantic launch. 



joeorc on 28 August 2010
Arius Dion said:

I agree with the statement. As for LeoJ, I'd basically say that's all fine and good, but there are also better digital music players than an Ipod, better Smartphones than the Iphone from a tech standpoint. But that doesn't really mean shi*.

The Move will be like the Zune compared to the Ipod..if its lucky. Kinect..I don't know why people think its going to be a success. All I know is that historically, add on periphs, especially this late in the game really has a lot of things working against them.

I wish em luck, but if I were a betting man, I'd wager this statement by ubisoft will be considered clairvoyant in the years to come.

that's the problem..these are not add on's they are new development platform's for their system. an add on does not in the core sense offer develope's a new platform with new tool's to make game on.

that i think is one of the reason's many are seeming to overlook, the way that the Move and kinect are designed is for game development as a

new Platform for Games not just to add to an existing game, can the control be added sure, does it mean it will work great, that depends in life it pretty much anything, The point being there are games being classed as KINECT GAMES, OR PLAYSTATION MOVE GAMES..that like saying if it was just an add on why off a new game controller at all, they game could work fine on a game pad that you already have.

Its offered because as is shown by the Wii as great proof, not every game feel's like a standard game pad is better suited for it. like bowling every one of these motion control system's have bowling in one shape or form..why a bowling game work's just fine with the standard game pad..so why use it?

it's simple the action of the motion of bowling with a motion controler is more natural because of the design of the real life game of bowling. does the pad work. yes you bet it does

but does the motion control's for a bowling game fell better used with motion over a standard game pad many will say yes. you can disagree but that's the big point in it is that it's the feel of the games interactivity with the motion that makes it more attractive in how the games experience is conveyed to the gamer.



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ps:

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joeorc on 28 August 2010
Cheebee said:
joeorc said:
Cheebee said:

(This also @ Leo-J)

See, I get your point, but Metallicube's comment only underlines the problem with Move. You, me, and other 'core' gamers who follow this kind of thing know about it. We know what the tech is like, what it can and can't do.

However, all others (say, 99% of humankind), does not. They're not 'core' gamers, and even if they do play games, it's only casually. They have no knowledge of Move nor its technology. They simply look at the device and its games, and so far, both share A LOT of similarities with Wii.

These are the customers Nintendo has been succesfully capturing since it launched DS, and the customers Sony and Microsoft are falling over themselves trying to cater to. To THESE people, Move = Wiimote ( w/ MotionPlus), regardless of whether it's true or not. It's all bout the games and public perception, and Sony aren't really making an effort to change Move's perception. They even modeled the Move controller and subcontroller after the Wiimote and Nunchuk, even of they don't look 100% the same, even trying to deny that is just silly. The fact that they're releasing clones of popular Wii blockbusters isn't helping, either.

Once again, Move is not the same as Wii, we know that, but the vast, vast majority of the rest of the world doesn't. And it doesn't seem like Sony will try to change that anytime soon.

but that is the point what your trying to imply the perception of the consensus = what it is..by the majority which is not the case at all. say for instance is someone called the Move a Wii clone or an exact replica of the wii or wii motion plus would you tell them it's not the case at all or would you just let it go?

that's the point i think people are going to have this perception of thing's does not they are right and it does not mean it's true.

it just means they have not learned enough about it.

Yes well, my point being that people are going to think Move = Wii, unless Sony make an effort to change that perception.

People aren't going to try and find out more about a product if they're not interested in the first place, and they're not going to be interested in it if they think it's very similar to Wii. Thus making it Sony's mission to make sure people know what Move is and what makes it stand apart from the competition. Consumers aren't obligated to go and learn about a product they think doesn't interests them. That's Sony's job. And like I said, so far they haven't been doing a good one, what with the physical form of the device and its games. To the general public, Move = Wii, whether you, me, or Sony likes it or not.

and how do you do that run TV ad's day an night talking about how much you motion control's differ from the Wii?

it's Simple you cannot do it anyway by that mean's because perception is based on people's idea what they think it is not what it is..for instance i asked you a Question : if someone stated to you that the playstation Move is a clone of the Wii mote or Wii motion plus would you correct them or let it slide?

you did not answer that Question.

which mean's you agree with that it's a clone or you do not care to correct wrong information spread about a system. like this developer stated that the Wii is a referbished Game cube and if someone said that would you correct that or would you let is slide?

you see it is all about perception. something your not going to change unless people learn they won't change their perception. that's why in this case Sony is letting the games speak for themselves..I have seen quite a number of people state that the Move is not offering anything more than the Wii or Wii motion plus.

that's their opinion and i can respect that , that does not mean their right.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

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Mr.Metralha on 28 August 2010
kopstudent89 said:

3DS, biggest gaming device ever?

Not even close:

 

 



Mr Khan on 28 August 2010
joeorc said:
Arius Dion said:

I agree with the statement. As for LeoJ, I'd basically say that's all fine and good, but there are also better digital music players than an Ipod, better Smartphones than the Iphone from a tech standpoint. But that doesn't really mean shi*.

The Move will be like the Zune compared to the Ipod..if its lucky. Kinect..I don't know why people think its going to be a success. All I know is that historically, add on periphs, especially this late in the game really has a lot of things working against them.

I wish em luck, but if I were a betting man, I'd wager this statement by ubisoft will be considered clairvoyant in the years to come.

that's the problem..these are not add on's they are new development platform's for their system. an add on does not in the core sense offer develope's a new platform with new tool's to make game on.

that i think is one of the reason's many are seeming to overlook, the way that the Move and kinect are designed is for game development as a

new Platform for Games not just to add to an existing game, can the control be added sure, does it mean it will work great, that depends in life it pretty much anything, The point being there are games being classed as KINECT GAMES, OR PLAYSTATION MOVE GAMES..that like saying if it was just an add on why off a new game controller at all, they game could work fine on a game pad that you already have.

Its offered because as is shown by the Wii as great proof, not every game feel's like a standard game pad is better suited for it. like bowling every one of these motion control system's have bowling in one shape or form..why a bowling game work's just fine with the standard game pad..so why use it?

it's simple the action of the motion of bowling with a motion controler is more natural because of the design of the real life game of bowling. does the pad work. yes you bet it does

but does the motion control's for a bowling game fell better used with motion over a standard game pad many will say yes. you can disagree but that's the big point in it is that it's the feel of the games interactivity with the motion that makes it more attractive in how the games experience is conveyed to the gamer.

What? Of course it does. Any add-on in the past allowed developers to do new things, often as if it were a new platform. EyeToy was like that, the N64DD (for the brief time it existed) was like that, the Sega CD, Sega 32X, Jaguar CD, PC Engine CD, were all the definition of new platform bound to an old one.



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Icyedge on 28 August 2010
CGI-Quality said:

Guess they're trying to even the odds, after their lovely Wii comments the other day.

In all seriousness, why develop games for something you deem a failure? Sometimes these devs puzzle me.

The funny thing is, if we read what the guy actually said, the title of the article and the conclusion of the author makes absolutely no sense.



Squilliam on 28 August 2010

Its just one opinion in a sea of opinions. This close to release its better to 'wait and see' than try to argue for / against opinions like these. We're sort of in that middle ground where speculation is pointless.



Tease.

Cheebee on 28 August 2010
joeorc said:
Cheebee said:
joeorc said:
Cheebee said:

(This also @ Leo-J)

See, I get your point, but Metallicube's comment only underlines the problem with Move. You, me, and other 'core' gamers who follow this kind of thing know about it. We know what the tech is like, what it can and can't do.

However, all others (say, 99% of humankind), does not. They're not 'core' gamers, and even if they do play games, it's only casually. They have no knowledge of Move nor its technology. They simply look at the device and its games, and so far, both share A LOT of similarities with Wii.

These are the customers Nintendo has been succesfully capturing since it launched DS, and the customers Sony and Microsoft are falling over themselves trying to cater to. To THESE people, Move = Wiimote ( w/ MotionPlus), regardless of whether it's true or not. It's all bout the games and public perception, and Sony aren't really making an effort to change Move's perception. They even modeled the Move controller and subcontroller after the Wiimote and Nunchuk, even of they don't look 100% the same, even trying to deny that is just silly. The fact that they're releasing clones of popular Wii blockbusters isn't helping, either.

Once again, Move is not the same as Wii, we know that, but the vast, vast majority of the rest of the world doesn't. And it doesn't seem like Sony will try to change that anytime soon.

but that is the point what your trying to imply the perception of the consensus = what it is..by the majority which is not the case at all. say for instance is someone called the Move a Wii clone or an exact replica of the wii or wii motion plus would you tell them it's not the case at all or would you just let it go?

that's the point i think people are going to have this perception of thing's does not they are right and it does not mean it's true.

it just means they have not learned enough about it.

Yes well, my point being that people are going to think Move = Wii, unless Sony make an effort to change that perception.

People aren't going to try and find out more about a product if they're not interested in the first place, and they're not going to be interested in it if they think it's very similar to Wii. Thus making it Sony's mission to make sure people know what Move is and what makes it stand apart from the competition. Consumers aren't obligated to go and learn about a product they think doesn't interests them. That's Sony's job. And like I said, so far they haven't been doing a good one, what with the physical form of the device and its games. To the general public, Move = Wii, whether you, me, or Sony likes it or not.

and how do you do that run TV ad's day an night talking about how much you motion control's differ from the Wii?

it's Simple you cannot do it anyway by that mean's because perception is based on people's idea what they think it is not what it is..for instance i asked you a Question : if someone stated to you that the playstation Move is a clone of the Wii mote or Wii motion plus would you correct them or let it slide?

you did not answer that Question.

which mean's you agree with that it's a clone or you do not care to correct wrong information spread about a system. like this developer stated that the Wii is a referbished Game cube and if someone said that would you correct that or would you let is slide?

you see it is all about perception. something your not going to change unless people learn they won't change their perception. that's why in this case Sony is letting the games speak for themselves..I have seen quite a number of people state that the Move is not offering anything more than the Wii or Wii motion plus.

that's their opinion and i can respect that , that does not mean their right.

Alright, first to answer your question, I would of course tell them they're similar, because they are, but I would also point out the differences.

Same goes for the Wii = GameCube argument, I'd tell them that from a graphical perspective, they're similar, but then again, everyone already knows this.

Now, the fundamental point myself and some others here are getting at: Sony is purposely letting the Move obtain the image of a 'Wii-too'. If that's their intent, then fine, but people shouldn't be surprised that others see Move as a Wii copycat.

They and they alone are responsible, in the first place, for the fact that the majority of people see Move a a Wii clone (regardless of whether it is or isn't). Yes they can change that, and they could have, from the beginning, but they have continually made the Move look like a product very similar to Wii.

They made the Move and subcontroller look like a Wiimote and Nunchuk (yes there are differences, but everyone and their grandmother can see they're modeled after Wii's controllers).

The games they seem to be giving the most attention are practically clones of highly popular Wii games like sports, party and fitness, which do nothing to show off the uniqueness or strong points of the controller, versus what can already be done on Wii.

What makes Move unique? Why should people invest in it over a Wii or Kinect? What unique, appealing games does it offer, that competitors don't? THOSE are the questions Sony should be addressing, if they wish to make Move stand out from Wii (and Kinect), and they could. They themselves have created this ruling perception that Move = Wii. Of course there are exceptions, but the overall image they have created is that they're copying Wii. Regardless of whether that's true or not.

I'm just not getting why some people are surprised or angry that others think this, too.



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