Move and Kinect will fail, because they are both missing a (different) key component in what made the Wii a success.What Wii had that made it a success was a combination of the quality content of the games that appealed to the masses, coupled with the novelty of the motion controls.

Kinect has their own motion control novelty, but the games themselves look awful.

Move seems to have more of the quality games, but is missing that novelty facotr that will draw attention to it (as it is an exact replica of the Wiimote w/motion plus.)

Were did they say move and kinect are going to fail?

All ubisoft will do is pollute the masterpiece with shovelware.I mean look at the games the have on ds now from ubisoft

CSI crime,who wants to be a millionare, animal doctor, sweet 16.. you see where i'm going with this. And ubisoft themselves said the want 20% of the handheld market.. pfahahaha

the problem is your only looking at it based on just the Wii, and not what it offer's outside of the Wii dynamic. Both the Move and Kinect both offer thing's that the Wii or Wii motion plus does not.and since their not out yet it's kind of early to say will fail. like it's pre destined or something..lol

not at all and even these guy's from MIT also disagree with that take on their type of motion control tech...I see many on here still think of it as an exact replica of the Wiimote w/motion plus..that is not the case at all because the Wii is missing 2 key element's that the Playstation move has  and the one the Modus motion control system has.

because if it was a replica as you said that's as bad as someone saying that the Wii is just a refurbished Game cube  which it's not.

But wouldn't you say that it's a bad thing that people are still thinking that? Granted that some of it is just internet bias noise, but some of it could reflect an ignorance even in forum-dwellers that could easily apply to the average consumer as well. Whether it's the same or not is irrelevant, and in this case it's more important that they're indistinguishable (as opposed to your counter-example of Wii vs GameCube), because this is going out to the consumer, who has no obligation to understand the differences in anything (especially between a product that's been 3.5 years on the market, and one that remains unreleased and is visibly similar) whereas its the job of software engineers to know how Wii is superior to GC.

3DS, biggest gaming device ever?

people saying it's an exact replica of the wii mote with motion plus are very mis informed about the PS MOVE...

VERY mis informed.. you cannot do any of this with a wii mote PERIOD.

(This also @ Leo-J)

See, I get your point, but Metallicube's comment only underlines the problem with Move. You, me, and other 'core' gamers who follow this kind of thing know about it. We know what the tech is like, what it can and can't do.

However, all others (say, 99% of humankind), does not. They're not 'core' gamers, and even if they do play games, it's only casually. They have no knowledge of Move nor its technology. They simply look at the device and its games, and so far, both share A LOT of similarities with Wii.

These are the customers Nintendo has been succesfully capturing since it launched DS, and the customers Sony and Microsoft are falling over themselves trying to cater to. To THESE people, Move = Wiimote ( w/ MotionPlus), regardless of whether it's true or not. It's all bout the games and public perception, and Sony aren't really making an effort to change Move's perception. They even modeled the Move controller and subcontroller after the Wiimote and Nunchuk, even of they don't look 100% the same, even trying to deny that is just silly. The fact that they're releasing clones of popular Wii blockbusters isn't helping, either.

Once again, Move is not the same as Wii, we know that, but the vast, vast majority of the rest of the world doesn't. And it doesn't seem like Sony will try to change that anytime soon.

the consumer is under just as much obligation to learn about the product's they buy..it's a case of would you operate a bandsaw with out reading the instruction's on it's operating safty?

it seem's some do not and there are injury's because they did not read up on it's safty.

that's i think is the large part of the problem, many people are in such a hurry these day's instead of waiting  that they overlook the very basic's of the product.

or what the product may or may not be able to do.

quite many are fully ready to jump to conclusion's without taking a step back.

like for instance not very many go to a store and know what the full capabilities of the PC's or laptop's spec's mean's .

have you ever been asked by someone you know what's the spec's mean for a PC they were looking to buy?

that's a big point not very many people take the time to learn or understand the technology they just want to go..their in a hurry, that is why you have the saying :

Why is patience a virtue?

Patience is a virtue because it makes us better people. The definition of the word is to tolerate delay. This implies self control and forbearance as opposed to wanting what we want when we want it. How many times have we jumped the gun and found out it would have been better to tolerate delay or had self control? What did we miss out on? Did we hurt someone we love because of lack of patience? Having patience will heal the wounds and it will work itself out fine. Patience is not only a virtue but a necessity for a happy existence.


*also all good things come to those who wait, which I guess is answering your question by saying the same thing. Only differently. I've rushed things countless times only to find if I would have paced it out and picked my shots things would have worked out a hell of a lot better. Dig?

I agree with the statement. As for LeoJ, I'd basically say that's all fine and good, but there are also better digital music players than an Ipod, better Smartphones than the Iphone from a tech standpoint. But that doesn't really mean shi*.

The Move will be like the Zune compared to the Ipod..if its lucky. Kinect..I don't know why people think its going to be a success. All I know is that historically, add on periphs, especially this late in the game really has a lot of things working against them.

I wish em luck, but if I were a betting man, I'd wager this statement by ubisoft will be considered clairvoyant in the years to come.