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postofficebuddy said:
Slimebeast said:
steverhcp02 said:
Slimebeast said:
Seece said:
steverhcp02 said:

The most impressive thing to me at this point is the fact that 1 year after the slim and pricecut the PS3 is still up 66% YoY. 

Sadly, for Sony, unless Kinect is met with overwhelming negative feedback i dont see what compelling offers the PS3 can offer this holiday WW to compete with the buzz that Kinect will surely cause.

Since Sony has already priced th enew Move model, a $50 price cut seems out of the question, which is pretty much all i could see taking th ePS3 safely to 1st place this holiday. Now its more of a toss up but im going to give the nod to the 360 just based on pre Kinect/Move guesstimation.

66%?

Maybe because a YoY comparison means to the last week before Slim launched in 2009 when the PS3 sold like 90K.

If you looked at the numbers, which i did......

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=113196&page=1#

In July of last year, the WW PS3 sales were 98k, the difference from this week is not due to the decline of last years weekly sales preslim its due to the larger volume of this year. Had we seen sales dip this week in 2009 id agree with you, but the % difference YoY is not due to lower volume in regards to the preslim weeks its due to the growth  THIS YEAR of sustained PS3 sales.

As you see the PS3 was at 98k July 10th, well before the slim and cut....the PS3 is simply just tracking very well a year after.

Okay okay.

Was you the guy who made those lenghty analysis of generation sales a year ago or so, in particular when sales of a console peak?


Something interesting to note about the YOY comparison. Throughout the summer slump PS3 has been averaging about 140k per week. Last year the 360 was averaging in the low 100ks to 110k throughout the summer. When it got the SKU shift at the end of August it lifted average weekly sales in September to about what the PS3 has been doing for the past couple months. With the exact same thing happening to the PS3 this year and with Move on the horizon that means that PS3 will likely continue to track noticeably ahead of 360's 2009 numbers, probably averaging around 160k-180k in September.

Hmm..... What does it matter though if PS3 this year is tracking ahead of X360's sales in 2009?

All I care about is if the X360 wins 2010 over PS3, which I heard it has a good chance to do. That will secure 2nd place for a long time, practically until the next gen starts.



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Seece said:
GianCarmen said:

Then everything out there is a fad, because they all peak some time or another. Fad, i hate that word because its used each year on the Wii. It was a fad in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010 so far. Its getting to be a big joke year after year.

"A fashion that is taken up with great enthusiasm for a brief period of time; a craze."

Again, not saying the Wii is a fad at all, but if it's sales do nosedive over the next year or so, then yeah it was a craze.

PS2 is a prime example of a product doing well but sustaining it over a long period of time, rather than a short burst. I know 4 years might sound long to you, but it's not really ..

...And yet Wii is still outpacing the PS2.

You gotta look at it in relative terms. Wii is in decline, but that's because its numbers were SO insanely high that now it has nowhere to go but down. Conversely, PS3's numbers were very weak initially, so it's much easier for the PS3 to have higher YoY numbers.

At the end of the day, Wii has still outsold its nearest competitor by 30 million. So whether or not it's a "fad" or a "craze," it's still a craze that won this generation.



Reasonable said:

Mind you, if the Wii was a fad, it doesn't bode well for Move and Kinect as they're due to arrive as the fad is fading out - so I guess the hardcore PS3/360 owners should probably hope motion control gaming as personified by the Wii wasn't a fad after all.

Well said..

I don't get this logic of many people predicting/hoping for short term decline for Wii when many of these same people turn around and then say "look! Now Sony and MS have their own motion controls, which will help to eclipse the Wii!!" well, what the hell people.. You can't have it both ways. Either Wii was indeed a "fad" and the craze of motion controls is in decline (meaning Kinect and Move will also fail), OR in fact Wii is not a fad but merely a console and motion controls are still popular, giving Kinect and Move a chance to succeed as well.

I don't get why people seem to think Wii imitators will be a success 4 years into the game, when even the ACTUAL Wii console is currently in decline.



Reasonable said:


I don't think it's the titles so much as the brand perception and genre association.  MS invested, particularly early on, in both true exclusives such as Blue Dragon as well as purchasing or otherwise negotiating timed exclusives that were specific for Japan, but I just felt they never overcame the brand/genre perception of being FPS/Western titles orientated and that they tried to use too western a style of marketing early on.

When the timed exclusives came to and end and the titles then hit PS3 with more content I think that hurt the 360 a lot in Japan, too.  In hindsight I think the timed exclusives approach was a mistake for MS, they should have either made sure they were true exclusives or only invested in real exclusives vs anything timed.

On paper the 360 has more than enough content to sell in the region I'd say - so I guess I disagree it doesn't - but it doesn't have the right perception in the market and MS don't seem able to attain it.  Now, it's irrelivent I think.  The boosts that saw the 360 easily beat the Xbox total seem over now, even the slight spike from the clearance sale and new model seems to be slipping away and never took the 360 near the Wii and PS3 in the region.

Unless Kinect suddenly becomes huge in Japan, then I think the 360 has achieved what it can there and will only see very small average weekly sales around the 3 to 5 k mark.

Not really much to argue with. Brand perception plays a roll. But I mostly blame software for poor sales. I mean if the 360 had major exclusives like the PS3 often gets in Japan. We could naturally assume the 360 would be in bigger demand there.



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Reasonable said:


I don't think it's the titles so much as the brand perception and genre association.  MS invested, particularly early on, in both true exclusives such as Blue Dragon as well as purchasing or otherwise negotiating timed exclusives that were specific for Japan, but I just felt they never overcame the brand/genre perception of being FPS/Western titles orientated and that they tried to use too western a style of marketing early on.

When the timed exclusives came to and end and the titles then hit PS3 with more content I think that hurt the 360 a lot in Japan, too.  In hindsight I think the timed exclusives approach was a mistake for MS, they should have either made sure they were true exclusives or only invested in real exclusives vs anything timed.

On paper the 360 has more than enough content to sell in the region I'd say - so I guess I disagree it doesn't - but it doesn't have the right perception in the market and MS don't seem able to attain it.  Now, it's irrelivent I think.  The boosts that saw the 360 easily beat the Xbox total seem over now, even the slight spike from the clearance sale and new model seems to be slipping away and never took the 360 near the Wii and PS3 in the region.

Unless Kinect suddenly becomes huge in Japan, then I think the 360 has achieved what it can there and will only see very small average weekly sales around the 3 to 5 k mark.

Not really much to argue with. Brand perception plays a roll. But I mostly blame software for poor sales. I mean if the 360 had major exclusives like the PS3 often gets in Japan. We could naturally assume the 360 would be in bigger demand there.

Maybe MS selling Japanese games to the Japanese looked to them like trying to sell ice to Eskimos, not even a cultural thing, maybe it just looked awkward to them. Maybe also some Japanese gamers thought it was presumptuous, or at least shallow, by MS to suddenly release a lot of Japanese games and pretending to have understood Japanese gaming culture. IMVHO there's not a single reason, but a combination of many.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Not really much to argue with. Brand perception plays a roll. But I mostly blame software for poor sales. I mean if the 360 had major exclusives like the PS3 often gets in Japan. We could naturally assume the 360 would be in bigger demand there.

Maybe MS selling Japanese games to the Japanese looked to them like trying to sell ice to Eskimos, not even a cultural thing, maybe it just looked awkward to them. Maybe also some Japanese gamers thought it was presumptuous, or at least shallow, by MS to suddenly release a lot of Japanese games and pretending to have understood Japanese gaming culture. IMVHO there's not a single reason, but a combination of many.

Well the best selling 360 games in Japan are Japanese games. They are either exclusive or timed exclusives. MHFO is climbing the 360's Japanese charts fast. May surpass Halo 3 next week.

Japanese consumers don't seem that complex. If MS would get a hold of more Japanese exclusives (from popular developers) and get them regularly, it could really help console sales there. Even timed exclusivity helps.



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BenVTrigger said:

I think its pretty much for sure that 360 is gonna outsell the PS3 over the holidays.  The big question is can the 360 outsell the Wii in NA this holiday?  If Kinect takes off which its looking like it very well could then I think theres a pretty good chance of 360 being number one in NA this holiday.  

That would be hellish crazy to see. It would make the Xbox 360 sales quite impressive in any context. However if the Kinect accessory can broaden their market then I can see their having a genuine increase in both content sales (games) and console sales as they can leverage existing consoles better and sell consoles to people who never had them.



Tease.

All consoles are doing great in my opinion...and Wii isn't in trouble!

I say this every week and no one listens so I guess everyone will have to wait and see this Holiday...Wii has had no big games besides for Mario Galaxy 2 so when games actually begin to come out on the Wii it will start selling at #1 again besides the Holiday has always been Nintendo's best time for sales since the Wii came out in 2006. The Wii has a totally different base then that of the P.S.3 and 360...when P.S.3 and 360 gets a big game people will buy it for that game while with the Wii someone may have liked a game that came out back in February and choice to wait to get a Wii until the Holidays instead of buying one right away. Also the Wii brand alone has become a very strong name that many people notice as a family console and will continue to be the big thing to get kids to parents. I also think that Nintendo has its strongest Holiday line up yet with the Wii.



ps3 in trouble. xbox 360 once again on top ,can"t wait for halo reach, fable 3.



ps3 can"t beat xbox 360 . ps3 in trouble. halo reach and fable 3 are so good