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themanwithnoname on 25 August 2010
CGI-Quality said:
themanwithnoname said:
CGI-Quality said:
Slimebeast said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Slimebeast said:
Mr Khan said:

First off, Move is primarily not intended to combat Kinect at all. Move is a defensive measure against Nintendo. Move does have the advantage of servicing the existing userbase of its console far more than Kinect does, but the reason is its primarily positioned to give PS3 owners no good reason to buy a Wii (which it may or may not succeed at, since Nintendo's shown that their own motion control is often peripheral to creating killer apps), but the kind of games appearing there are to counter that, which is why we're seeing them push it in to more traditional experiences, or see EA create that exact clone experience of PGA Tour on Wii to PGA Tour here.

That's not how I see it at all. The Sixaxis was Sony's attempt to defend against Nintendo. Move is their desperate attempt to combat Kinect.

Why is it 'desperate"? cuz it was downgraded suddenly to make it affordable? nope that was kinect

cuz it have no games? nope it has more games than kinect..and more veriety too, go check the line up

cuz it doesn't work properly? nope all hands on previews have clealrly said it works the best among the motion controllers out in the market so far..way better than kinect as of now at least

Does it not deliver on what it promised? Nope it does everything it said it would do and does them well..I can't really say the same for kinect as of now

So why? Do explain...I do not comprehend this line of thought of terms used by some of you such as 'rushed product' ...'desperate' . If anyone is bringing out such a product then it would be MS

Desperate doesn't necessaily mean a rushed product. I never said that. I know that Move is accurate, has almost no lag and it does it's thing, but the whole project feels so forced and halfhearted. It feels so "me too". I honestly believe that Sony didn't want to get dragged into a motion control war but they felt forced to. Sony themselves don't believe in Move. 

The Move software lineup is large but, and I mean no disrespect here, it's all a bunch of shovelware. I see no enthusiasm among Sony fans over any Move title (except maybe a tiny little bit for that Sorcery game, but we're talking about a game that will move 250K copies, if even that).

I am not writing this out of fanboyism. There's no damage control or hidden agendas. It's just obvious reading comments from console fans, when you read between the lines. Deep within us we all (the majority) know that Kinect will be a success while we're very sceptical about Move.

Man, where to begin........

a. Move games are shovelware? Killzone 3, HEAVY RAIN, Socom? Shovelware, really?

b. Sony doesn't believe in Move? I'm guessing they sent you a telegram with such info on it.

c. The "majority" of fans don't know didly. If that were the case, ALAN WAKE would be sitting comfortably above HEAVY RAIN in sales and reviews.

d. As people have been saying, it's all speculation at this point, but you took the cake.

Do you plan on calling out Mugen for calling the Kinect lineup shovelware as well? And I do believe he meant the Move only games.

I wouldn't consider either line-up "shovelware", but considering Move has a mix of hardcore and casual titles, their ;ine-up isn't anywhere close to "shovelware". M.U.G.E.N. was also defending something realistically, as slimebeast flat out calls Move "desperate". Fom where I'm sitting, both devices were designed to combat Nintendo with motion controls. Wouldn't that make them both desperate?

Regardless, relax, it's not always about some conspiracy.


I'm not implying a conspiracy. All I'm doing is advocating consistency.



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themanwithnoname on 25 August 2010
CGI-Quality said:

@ manwithnoname

Then pay attention. This thread is a consistency of typical behavior. Why don't I see you comment on that?


Because I have no idea what you mean by "This thread is a consistency of typical behavior." Please do enlighten me.



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Xbbjf9s on 25 August 2010
themanwithnoname said:
CGI-Quality said:

@ manwithnoname

Then pay attention. This thread is a consistency of typical behavior. Why don't I see you comment on that?


Because I have no idea what you mean by "This thread is a consistency of typical behavior." Please do enlighten me.

I think he means that the thread creator has a history of downing anything sony (I have never seen him post anything nice about them).


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themanwithnoname on 25 August 2010
CGI-Quality said:
themanwithnoname said:
CGI-Quality said:

@ manwithnoname

Then pay attention. This thread is a consistency of typical behavior. Why don't I see you comment on that?


Because I have no idea what you mean by "This thread is a consistency of typical behavior." Please do enlighten me.

It really isn't that hard to understand. Besides, do you actually have anything to contribute to the topic, or did you come here just to chase posters?

Fact of the matter is, he was called out for a consistency in certain behavior, only recently responded to objections to his topic, then got upset over the reaction to it.

For slimebeast, we debated, and it's over. What are you prolonging here?

Fair enough. Now, why can't you make posts that don't have some snide remark directed towards me in them? It does get rather old...



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themanwithnoname on 25 August 2010
CGI-Quality said:
themanwithnoname said:
CGI-Quality said:
themanwithnoname said:
CGI-Quality said:

@ manwithnoname

Then pay attention. This thread is a consistency of typical behavior. Why don't I see you comment on that?


Because I have no idea what you mean by "This thread is a consistency of typical behavior." Please do enlighten me.

It really isn't that hard to understand. Besides, do you actually have anything to contribute to the topic, or did you come here just to chase posters?

Fact of the matter is, he was called out for a consistency in certain behavior, only recently responded to objections to his topic, then got upset over the reaction to it.

For slimebeast, we debated, and it's over. What are you prolonging here?

Fair enough. Now, why can't you make posts that don't have some snide remark directed towards me in them? It does get rather old...

Why do you always quote people ready for battle? Why not discuss the topic, as I have?


I don't know what you mean by that. People challenging other people's comments is typical on all forums. I don't believe in classifying anything as shovelware, so that's why I jumped in and commented.



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MakeAmazing on 28 August 2010
RolStoppable said:

Move will fail because people buy Nintendo systems to play Nintendo games.

People buy many different things for many different reasons. I purchased the Wii because of the controller, and reading that my movement with the controller would be precisely done on screen, i was also a muppet and totally believed the Nintendo videos :D. Previously to that have never owned a Nintendo product, and not really that knowledgable about the games they made. You may be suprised that many of the people in this Generation purchased the Wii using the same method, or for Wii Fit or something other than any previous IP.

I purchased a PS3 because i was really disappointed by the Wii controls, and thought the graphics were not too great (was mainly a PC gamer at that point).

I purchased an Xbox because i wanted to play Dead Rising, that wasnt available on the PS3.

I've pre-ordered move so i can play RE5 with Move (really hated the controls but wanted to play the game), and because Socom looks interesting, and the kids will finally be able to play eyepet hopefully in a dark living room.

So i guess what i am saying is that people dont necessarily fit into your very selective/narrow field of view. Everyone is different and people have different reasons for buying a certain product, dont assume as it will make you look silly :).



Garnett on 28 August 2010

MOVE will be more accurate than Natal, and most definitely have better games but im gonna predict that it will end up like Eyetoy and Sixaxis, just another addon.

 



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hyperhealer3 on 29 August 2010

Let's say your playing Street Fighter IV with Xbox Kinect... How do you execute a soryuken? Haduken? COD.. .How do you throw a grenade?  Just wondering.



cloud1161 on 29 August 2010

so i guess sorcery, sports champions, littlebigplanet 2, and start the party arent casual games?



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daroamer on 30 August 2010
iWarMachine said:
Slimebeast said:
CGI-Quality said:
Slimebeast said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Slimebeast said:

It's my honest opinion. Except Sorcery. Sorcery seems to be a quality game but it's also small and insignificant. (btw for clarification, I mean the Move-only titles, not Move supported games like Socom, GT5 and Killzone). Can u rank the Move lineup? Name your top 5 or something and we can analise their quality and hype.

To try to increase my credibility a little, I'm a guy who consistently says that Sony will finish this gen ahead of Microsoft and that the PS3 exclusive library is better than Xbox 360 despite me being a big Xbox and Microsoft fanboy.

Face palm!

shovelware? REALLY? You're joking right? I mean you casually ignore games like Socom 4, Echochrome 2, Sorcery (which is btw a full fledged game, I don't understand where you get this small and insignificant  from), The Fight, Heroes on the Move, Time Crisis etc. Compared to the competitions launch line up this is way way way better in turms of quality and heck even quantity.

I can't for the life of me understand why you would use the 'me too' argument against move but not for kinect? it's motion control that came after wii and Eyetoy.

Again why do you think it's FORCED? It's a good hw that works vs kinect that still has a lot to prove for itself. So the ofrced one here is Kinect if we follow your logic.

ANd btw let's not talk about how many copes Sorcery will move (which btw I will quote you on it)....it will move way way way more copies than that...I will even place a bet with you for it...but given how much crow you ate with HR I suggest you don't take the bet

And also saying "I am not writing this out of fanboyism. There's no damage control or hidden agendas." doesn't really make it the truth...just like how saying 'maybe' sony found out about MS and brought out the Move. Because lets face it, one is working great, the other still has many problems to iron out. So if anything MS hand was forced, doesn't matter HOW you try to spin it. Kinect was forced and rushed..it even had to drop the chip and the sw has many issues according to previews such as notciebale lag.

Let's face it here, Move is getting very nice support from 1st party and 3rd party. Kinect line up is fileld with shovelware with lil to no veriety imo...very little support for the hardcore too. Will it sell? yep...will Move be a failure? No way in hell

Socem and those hardcore games that support Move controls along with normal controls, I didn't mean them when I said shovelware. I meant the games that need Move and I clarified it.

"The Fight" is garbage, it got horrible hands-on impressions. "Time Crisis Move", I can't imagine gamers paying for that one when they already have games like Uncharted and God of War 3. "Heroes on the Move, I haven't checked that out thoroughly but I will in a sec.

You are missing the point. It doesn't matter that Kinect has some technical issues such as lag. Wii had them too in the beginning but it didn't prevent them from selling to casuals.

When people have tried Kinect they walk away with a smile on their face, while comments from people who experienced Move usually are "it was kinda neat".

Sorcery is a quality title and even some people on this forum will appreciate it. But don't come tell me it's an important game. No disrespect to Harry Potter but Sorcery is kinda like Harry Potter.

You are right, I'm very cautious about bets after my Heavy Rain bet.

Would you please link us to those claims about The Fight? And since you've yet to use it, I'm not sure how you could peg it as "garbage". Kinect has been getting some pretty awful previews too, is it garbage?

I think this is your lowest slimebeast. I've seen some pretty ridiculous posts from you in the past, but I'm truly shocked right now.

The first hands-on preview of The Fight that came up on Google:

"Like all of the games that we played during this Beta event, The Fight: Lights Out isn't the finished article, but it's hard to see just how they can improve the game apart from starting from scratch. Move will have a great boxing game one day, but this isn’t going to be it."
http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=25767

Kinect has had some so and so previews, yes I know, but obviously that will happen when it's such a non-hardcore device. But that's not the point. It doesn't matter if we, hardcore gamers, prefer classic controllers over motion controls, or that we feel stupid jumping in front of a dance game. The point is casuals will love Kinect and that's what I mean when I say that we all know this deep within us.

This is my lowest? It must be pretty damn low then.

Sorry but I didn't know this was controversial. I honestly thought most gamers including Sony fans weren't enthusiastic about Move.

Gaming Hexus?

Check out the IGN preview

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/111/1113980p1.html

"The Fight can transform from a clever example of what PlayStation Move is capable of into a must-have game for Sony's motion controller."

I'm really curious why you chose to cut out the first part of that sentence.

"Details on other features of the story mode are thin on the ground but we're certainly keen to find out if The Fight can transform from a clever example of what PlayStation Move is capable of into a must-have game for Sony's motion controller."

The bolded makes it not quite the same meaning that you tried to portray.  They said it had potential but there were also some criticisms about accuracy earlier in the article.