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adsl on 22 August 2010
The Ghost of RubangB said:

Are we actually going to brag and argue about the shovelware shift from Wii to HD?

Wii already has more games and more backwards compatibility than any other console out right now, so a huge shift in the 5th year of a generation won't make much of a difference, especially if it's all party games.  Everybody's already figured out what their favorite party games are over the past 4-5 years.

The other systems are only getting huge chunks of new games because they're launching Kinect and Move, with 10 Just Dance clones, 10 Wii Fit clones, and 10 Wii Sports clones each.  For comparison, Wii Motion launched with one Wii Sports clone, two tennis games, and a golf game.  The best game got to rise to the top, and it's sold over 15 million by now.  If you launch a controller with tons and tons of games that are barely different from each other, you're not going to get a huge breakout success like that.  Except maybe Dance Central... but it's still only 2 players instead of 4.

I'm sure this limitation will hurt Dance Central sales mainly because of the new Just Dance that will feature a mulplayer up to 8 people at the same time. And I'm sure it will hurt even the Kinect sales, only two players at the same time? C'mom Microsoft are kidding us?



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mike_intellivision on 22 August 2010
psrock said:
nordlead said:

Considering how the generation started (no 3rd party support due to every analyst saying the Wii was going to epicly fail) I'm not shocked the trend has continued till now. Now, I had hoped and even said that 3rd party support would pick up, it hasn't (significantly).

Now, from a business perspective, I can't figure out why some of the larger multiplatform companies haven't put significant support into the Wii. Putting only crap games on the market leader is a waste of resources especially when just one 3rd party could move in with significant support and pick up all the sales that Nintendo doesn't take which would be like being the only legitimate publisher on the PS3 or X360.


The Iphone gets games the Wii doesn't, there's more to this than just decision made in 2005, it's been 4 years, you can't tell me it's because they thought the PS3 was going to be the leader, that worked in 2007.

No one ever said developers are smart. That is why so many of them are bankrupt. They can't figure out the industry any better than the analysts and lose money because of it.

Mike from Morgantown



      


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postofficebuddy on 22 August 2010
kopstudent89 said:
postofficebuddy said:

After seeing the lackluster performance of Battle Road Victory I'm not sure how big of a success Inazuma 11 will be. At the moment the holidays in Japan seem to favor the Wii but if Sony or a third party drop a bomb at TGS that's going to change rather quickly. And depending on how may GT5 bundles there are, I'm assuming it's going to be like the Lightning Bundle around 200k, Sony basically has November in the bag. And Trestres, you're missing RDR from that list. Not sure what category it should go in though. I think it has a pretty good shot at over 100k, maybe even over 200k.


DQBRV is actually doing a swell if not better than the PS2 iterations. nothing bad abt its numbers, only expectations were higher


Yeah, after looking at the PS2 iterations I have agree. My expectations were just a bit higher because of Swords. Speaking of which, has DQBR been confirmed for a western release?



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iasta on 22 August 2010

Is it surprise someone anymore? when you have game franchise spawn on all consoles and even iphone but the wii (SFIV, Assassin creed) how could you expect the things to be different.

But as usual, what is making the nintendo console stand out is the 1st party game, not 3rd party and Nintendo as some really interesting games for the next months (Metroid: another M, Kirby epic Yarn, Wii Party, Donkey Kong: Returns , Zelda: Skyward Sword) that's enough to keep the nintendo core gamer busy (and less rich :p).



But we must first concentrate ourselves on the way to entertain people, for video games to live. Else, it's a world where sales representative will win, which has as effect to kill creativity. I want to say to the creators all around the world:"Courage, Dare!". Shigeru Miyamoto.

mike_intellivision on 22 August 2010
dtewi said:
psrock said:
nordlead said:

Considering how the generation started (no 3rd party support due to every analyst saying the Wii was going to epicly fail) I'm not shocked the trend has continued till now. Now, I had hoped and even said that 3rd party support would pick up, it hasn't (significantly).

Now, from a business perspective, I can't figure out why some of the larger multiplatform companies haven't put significant support into the Wii. Putting only crap games on the market leader is a waste of resources especially when just one 3rd party could move in with significant support and pick up all the sales that Nintendo doesn't take which would be like being the only legitimate publisher on the PS3 or X360.


The Iphone gets games the Wii doesn't, there's more to this than just decision made in 2005, it's been 4 years, you can't tell me it's because they thought the PS3 was going to be the leader, that worked in 2007.


It's because the Wii's casual market is easy to develop cheap shovelware for. 3rd parties won't put extra resoruces into making games for the Wii when putting out a game like Carnival Games rakes in massive amounts of dough.

The Wii is a victim of its own success in the casual market, and we're definitely not gonna see good 3rd party support for it, and most likely not for its successor.


I am tried of reading drivel that derides the "casual" market.

Wii owners like different/unique experiences. 

But how many games that (a) were not well-received and (b) were NOT first in their genre to market have done well on the Wii?

Some unusual games have done well. But only if they met this criteria (and were generally functional).

For example, everyone's favorite Carnival Games has sold 3.69M. But the imitators (Six Flags at 0.21M and Wonder World Amusement Park at 0.07M) generally tanked. Poorly received, me-too games  -- casual gamers know what not to buy.

Also, support from a big third-party does not necessarily mean success. Activision has 86 titles on the Wii. A total of 10 have sold over 1M but two dozen (24) have not sold 10K. (I own two from each category). If you look at the lower selling games, many are rueful mini-game collections or tired sequels to a game that sold well at the beginning.

In other words, what flummoxes third-parties  on the Wii is that the casual gamer actually seems to have a much more discerning pallet as they tend not to buy copy-cat games and often do not buy sequels.  This is not necessarily true on the other systems, so you can release the game two or three basic game types and know that an existing successful IP will continue to sell well.

Mike from Morgantown



      


I am Mario.


I like to jump around, and would lead a fairly serene and aimless existence if it weren't for my friends always getting into trouble. I love to help out, even when it puts me at risk. I seem to make friends with people who just can't stay out of trouble.

Wii Friend Code: 1624 6601 1126 1492

NNID: Mike_INTV
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Carl on 22 August 2010
Soriku said:
dtewi said:
psrock said:
nordlead said:

Considering how the generation started (no 3rd party support due to every analyst saying the Wii was going to epicly fail) I'm not shocked the trend has continued till now. Now, I had hoped and even said that 3rd party support would pick up, it hasn't (significantly).

Now, from a business perspective, I can't figure out why some of the larger multiplatform companies haven't put significant support into the Wii. Putting only crap games on the market leader is a waste of resources especially when just one 3rd party could move in with significant support and pick up all the sales that Nintendo doesn't take which would be like being the only legitimate publisher on the PS3 or X360.


The Iphone gets games the Wii doesn't, there's more to this than just decision made in 2005, it's been 4 years, you can't tell me it's because they thought the PS3 was going to be the leader, that worked in 2007.


It's because the Wii's casual market is easy to develop cheap shovelware for. 3rd parties won't put extra resoruces into making games for the Wii when putting out a game like Carnival Games rakes in massive amounts of dough.

The Wii is a victim of its own success in the casual market, and we're definitely not gonna see good 3rd party support for it, and most likely not for its successor.


For casual shovelware the Wii is a one time thing. How are those shovelware sequels going for you? Yeah...

Using the Wii as a standard for its successor is laughable too.

Define "shovelware" for me. But just to give you a quick run down of big selling sequels to party games and stuff like that...

Cooking Mama: Cook Off - 1.49M
Game Party 2 - 1.45M
Carnival Games: Mini Golf - 1.19M
Disney Sing It: Pop Hits - 0.94M
Hasbro Family Game Night 2 - 0.81M
Wii Party - 0.74M
My Sims Agents - 0.71M
Deca Sports 2 - 0.6M
EA Active More Workouts - 0.57M
Petz Dogz 2 - 0.51M
My Sims Racing - 0.43M

That's just a quick scan of the top 200 games on Wii. These are just sequels. These do not include games mimicing TV shows or random generic fitness games. I hear a lot of Wii fans saying games with decent production values that sell 400k on Wii have been a success. So games with pretty much rock bottom production values that sell 400k must be a goldmine. The Wii's shovelware problem is far from over Soriku. If the sequels don't sell as well then they will release new shovelware. We've seen it since the Wii launched.



                            

Xero on 23 August 2010

As far as I see, the PS3s taking a lot of the Wiis 3rd party support right now. 360s sat where it should be... but PS3 is exceeding, I suppose this is attributed in part to ties from the last generation, new motion controller and developers finally adapting to being able to develop competently on the cell processor. That accompanied by Nintendo driving third partys away, and Microsoft not having the consumers to market Eastern games towards. 

I expect a stream of Wii - PS3 ports from publishers like Capcom too, looking to make a quick buck. Even if the original Wii publisher, won't publish the PS3 version - publishers such as Konami have proven there willing to do so. (no more heroes)



dtewi on 23 August 2010

mike_intellivision said:

I am tried of reading drivel that derides the "casual" market.

Wii owners like different/unique experiences. 

But how many games that (a) were not well-received and (b) were NOT first in their genre to market have done well on the Wii?

Some unusual games have done well. But only if they met this criteria (and were generally functional).

For example, everyone's favorite Carnival Games has sold 3.69M. But the imitators (Six Flags at 0.21M and Wonder World Amusement Park at 0.07M) generally tanked. Poorly received, me-too games  -- casual gamers know what not to buy.

Also, support from a big third-party does not necessarily mean success. Activision has 86 titles on the Wii. A total of 10 have sold over 1M but two dozen (24) have not sold 10K. (I own two from each category). If you look at the lower selling games, many are rueful mini-game collections or tired sequels to a game that sold well at the beginning.

In other words, what flummoxes third-parties  on the Wii is that the casual gamer actually seems to have a much more discerning pallet as they tend not to buy copy-cat games and often do not buy sequels.  This is not necessarily true on the other systems, so you can release the game two or three basic game types and know that an existing successful IP will continue to sell well.

Mike from Morgantown


All you're saying is that copy-catted shovelware doesn't sell.

Yes, Wii owners have brains, and yes, they won't buy shovelware clones.

But shovelware still sells. It's cheap to make, and by playing their cards correctly, the company can profit big time on it.

3rd parties aren't going to spend a ton of resources on some amazing game when it has a less likely chance to profit than shovelware.



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kowhoho on 23 August 2010
haxxiy said:
chocoloco said:

Quantity> Quality a fact proven time and time again.

*looks at Wii and some of it's games*

Funny thing you saying that...

Also consider the PS2. A console is defined by it's library.



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Rhonin the wizard on 23 August 2010

Well if no one is going to do a complete list.

Wii

Gold's Gym: Dance Workout
Armin van Buuren: In the Mix
We Sing Encore
Grease (also on DS)
Gunblade NY & L.A. Machineguns Arcade Hits Pack
Martian Panic
NHL 2K11
The Bachelor: The Videogame (also on DS)
Twinkle Queen
Cruise Ship Vacation Games
SkyScraper (also on PC, PS2)
So Blonde (also on DS, PC)
Disney Guilty Party
Metroid: Other M
Batman: The Brave and the Bold the Videogame (also on DS)
Family Party: Fitness Fun
NHL Slapshot
Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions (also on DS, PS3, X360)
Tom Clancy's HAWX 2 (also on PC, PS3, X360)
Schlag den Raab (also on PC)
Cabela's North American Adventures (also on PS2, PS3, PSP, X360)
Cars Toon: Mater's Tall Tales 
Greg Hastings Paintball 2 (also on PS3, X360)
Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole (also on DS, PS3, X360)
Scooby-Doo! and the Spooky Swamp (also on DS, PS2)
The Lord of the Rings: Aragorn's Quest (also on DS, PS2, PS3, PSP)
Truth or Lies (also on PS3, X360)
Deca Sports 3 
All Round Hunter (also on X360)
TrackMania
Flip's Twisted World
Gormiti: The Lords of Nature! (also on DS)
New Carnival Games (also on DS)
Zany Golf
Arthur and the Revenge of Maltazard (also on DS, PC, PS3)
John Daly's ProStroke Golf (also on PC, PS3, X360)
Disney Sing It: Party Hits (also on PS3)
Guitar Hero: Warriors of Rock (also on DS, PS3, X360)
Kid Fit Island Resort
FIFA Soccer 11 (also on DS, PC, PS2, PS3, PSP, X360)
MySims SkyHeroes (also on DS, PS3, X360)
Rapala Pro Bass Fishing 2010 (also on PS2, PS3, X360)
U-Sing Volume 2
Ben 10 Ultimate Alien: Cosmic Destruction (also on DS, PS2, PS3, PSP, X360)
Def Jam Rapstar (also on PS3, X360)
NBA 2K11 (also on PC, PS2, PS3, PSP, X360)
NBA Jam (also on PSN, XBL, sort of)
Rock of the Dead (also on PS3, X360)
Challenge Me: Brain Puzzles 2 (also on DS, PC)
Challenge Me: Word Puzzles (also on DS, PC)
Just Dance 2
Lucha Libre AAA: Heroes of the Ring (also on PS3, PSP, X360)
Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 (also on PC, PS2, PS3, PSP, X360)
Kirby's Epic Yarn
Active Life Explorer
DJ Hero 2 (also on PS3, X360)
Shaun White Skateboarding (also on PC, PS3, X360)
Rock Band 3 (also on DS, PS2, PS3, X360)
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II (also on DS, PS3, PSP, X360)
The Amazing Race (also on DS, PC, X360)
The Sims 3 (also on 3DS, DS, iPhone, PC, PS3, PSP, X360)
WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2011 (also on PS2, PS3, PSP, X360)
Family Trainer: Treasure Adventure
Monopoly Streets (also on PS3, X360)
Sid Meier's Pirates! (also on PC)
We Sing Robbie Williams
Get Fit with Mel B (also on PS3, X360)
GoldenEye 007 (also on DS)
Megamind: Mega Team Unite
Beyblade: Metal Fusion - Battle Fortress
FlingSmash
Call of Duty: Black Ops (also on DS, PC, PS3, X360)
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1 (also on DS, PC, PS3, X360)
Raving Rabbids: Travel in Time
Sonic Colors (also on DS)
Jillian Michaels Fitness Ultimatum 2011
EA Sports Active 2 (also on iPhone, PS3, X360)
I-Sing
Man vs. Wild (also on PS3, X360)
Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit (also on PC, PS3, X360)
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Anpanman Niki Noki Party

Total: 82 
Console exclusive: 47
Wii exclusive: 33

I only took into account titles that will be released from 15th August to the end of 2010. If a game was previously released in one or more regions it is not included(ex. Sengoku Basara 3).