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Because the Wii can't use a traditional controller ... oh wait.  



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RolStoppable said:

Wait...

This is a complicated issue and theres too much emotion invested in it. Im not trying to prove the Wii sucks or Nintendo sucks or anything lame like that. Nintendo already has my full respect for what they have achieved with the Wii.

The way the Wii market exists today is the result of many different conflicting or complimentary factors which are completely impossible to unwravel, especially within the time/space of a forum post. There have been mistakes, theres inertia, theres industry perceptions both at a developer and publisher level, there is the Wii market as it exists and as it could have existed had things turned out differently in the first few years and the capabilities of the Wii and its controller. What has been done has been done already and theres very little anyone can do to change the facts as they stand at the moment. However that doesn't prove than the 3rd parties are stupid or that Nintendo is stupid. The players must play with the cards they deal themselves and the cards they have been dealt. Losing money sure makes people look stupid, however looking and being stupid are completely different things. Nintendo has succeeded in looking smart and being stupid before, look at the pre N64 days.

No plan survives the first contact with the market. I doubt that Nintendo or 3rd parties are functioning on anything like their original plans they had before they entered this generation. Nintendo came out on top but they couldn't come away with a complete victory and to tell you the truth I cannot say whether they intended to have a complete victory in the market in this generation or not. Much of this is really past history and the real question is how can 3rd parties and Nintendo both be smart in a mutually beneficial way in the next generation of consoles. That is the important point to consider, not how badly this generation has turned out for them.

The specifics really aren't important and to focus on them we'd have to lose the big picture. The third parties may have made mistakes however its quite a stretch to say they haven't acted rationally within their own personal realities. Its ok to feel frustrated or annoyed by what has happened. Considering the issues some people have considered worthy of the soap box in this generation it is actually a relief to hear from someone whom actually has a real issue to raise.



Tease.

Aion said:

Well i think Wii should get a lot more multi-plats.


That would defeat the purpose of the Wii. It was never intended to be another "me-too" console like the GameCube was.  Doesn't anyone remember why Nintendo made the Wii the system that it is?  They didn't want it to be just another Xbox or Playstation.

This is what Nintendo planned, and the Wii has been successful because of it.  If anyone wants those multi-platform games bad enough, they should jut get an Xbox360 or a PS3.  Then you, too, can be disappointed by Resident Evil 5.



RolStoppable said:

Why should I even attempt to prove this, if my point is simply that (most) third parties made the wrong decisions which is based on them losing money?

 


You should be trying to prove your point because you stated a theory and should have evidence, as I have for my wildly unpopular ideas (based on history). 

But you can't because your original post is little more than an empty conspiracy theory coupled with an apparent lack of understanding of what Nintendo wanted with the Wii--which was, again, not to be like Microsoft or Sony.  And that includes cross-platform titles.  A lot of the poor-quality games were partially Nintendo's fault since they didn't lead off with quality titles as examples for the Wii--they used a GameCube Zelda game and an unpolished tech demo packed in with the Wii.  These things were a far cry from the system show pieces like Super Mario World, Pilotwings, Mario 64, and Pilotwings 64.  Or, for that matter, Luigi's Mansion.

When other 3rd party companies saw that sub-par quality worked on the Wii, they went with sub-par quality.

And I think third party companies made plenty of profit on the HD systems considering how well 3rd party wares sell on those machines.  They're all doing pretty well right now.



If Wii Sports was [edit:  just] a tech demo it wouldn't have been so damn fun.  And I guess you really loved Luigi's Mansion?  



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Resident_Hazard said:

And I think third party companies made plenty of profit on the HD systems considering how well 3rd party wares sell on those machines.  They're all doing pretty well right now.

It obviously varies quarter to quarter, but almost all the big publishers have been in trouble at some point this gen, all have had major or semi-major HD flops, and I'd like to see you qualify that "doing pretty well" with some financials to back it up... if you take a look at most IR reports, you'll find that's not at all the case.  The list of companies who are really "doing pretty well" this gen imo is limited to like Nintendo, Blizzard, Valve and Level-5.  

Plus we've seen an unheralded amount of studio layoffs, sellouts or outright closures this generation, and mostly from studios focusing on HD formats.  Proportionately more than at any time since the big crash in the early 1980s.



Rol,

 

I like Haze. Anyway it sold better that Bioshock because it was made by free radicals lol.



 

 

RolStoppable said:
 

 

 

But actually, that last paragraph isn't really important. Too often we look at this as an "either or" thing when it comes to good third party support. Wouldn't it be for the best for most third parties if they would split their resources on all relevant gaming systems to reduce the risk of being on the wrong side of a trend? The question shouldn't be "Wii or HD?", rather it should be "Why not both?".

I heard a few experience businessmen give to others advise (nothing directly about gaming yet still applies) it better to focus your product toward one group instead separating yourself out too thin. They claim this is one mistake many newcomers starting their own business makes.  It's probably smarter to focus and design games specially for Wii or HD consoles/PC than trying to do both. This is why sometimes we read a version of a game is dropped.

One of the things that makes games like Halo, GT5, SMG so good is the fact the developers focus only on one console and max that console out.