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highwaystar101 said:
Slimebeast said:
highwaystar101 said:
Slimebeast said:
highwaystar101 said:

Why? Homosexuality under regular conditions is a perfectly fine thing, not harmful at all. But when it comes as part of a condition which affects  person's sexuality in such a manner as CAH it is a harmful thing to their well being.

Basically the homosexuality in CAH isn't really natural, it's a symptom of the condition, and therefore different from regular homosexuality. It's not the same.

What does this mean? How do you know the same mechanism isn't involved in "natural" or "regular" homosexuality (whatever that is), namely that the sexual part of the brain is subject to altered hormonal regulation under a critical stage of fetal development?

Do you actively seek out my posts and reply to them? lol

Anyway, I never said the mechanism was different, I said that they were being affected by their condition. It's the same mechanism, but altered to cause a substantially higher chance of homosexuality.

The mechanism isn't what I'm particularly interested in anyway, the thing that matters is that they have a  higher chance of being homosexual as a direct result of their condition.

Yes I seek them out lol.

Now you are babbling. You said:

"Homosexuality under regular conditions is a perfectly fine thing, not harmful at all. But when it comes as part of a condition which affects  person's sexuality in such a manner as CAH it is a harmful thing to their well being"

...which makes no sense. Who are you to decide which form of homosexuality is normal and which is not lol?

You took my quote hilariously out of context.

What I did say in essence was that homosexuality under regular conditions (i.e. the causes behind the majority of homosexuals) isn't harmful to a persons well being. A person can be homosexual and lead a perfectly normal and healthy life.

Whereas a person who has CAH cannot lead such a healthy life, having the condition is harmful to them. They suffer from infertility, ambiguous genitalia, problem with pubic development, growth problems, etc... And homosexuality is just another thing they suffer from.

To put it simply: Homosexuals who are so under regular conditions do not suffer from it. Whereas people with CAH do suffer from their homosexuality.

But why would they suffer from their homosexuality?





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Best drug ever. No only does it stop them being masculin it also prevents them from being lesbions.

 

 

a BRILLIANT drug. Now all we need is a drug that does the same for men.



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Serious_frusting said:

Best drug ever. No only does it stop them being masculin it also prevents them from being lesbions.

 

 

a BRILLIANT drug. Now all we need is a drug that does the same for men.

Too bad for you most lesbians don't have CAH.



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Serious_frusting said:

Best drug ever. No only does it stop them being masculin it also prevents them from being lesbions.

 

 

a BRILLIANT drug. Now all we need is a drug that does the same for men.


you want all men to be effeminate and attracted to other men?



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sapphi_snake said:
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Coca-Cola said:

This.

It's not about curing lesbianism and does not prove anything about people born gay - I still believe we are created in the image of our environment

having said that, this is very interesting.  What if we can altar sexual orientation?  Now that would be a topic to discuss.  I'm afraid that most anti-abortion people will be for it and Right to choose people will be against it.  Ironic isn't it?   Seriously, if people believe we can abort little babies, why shouldn't we be able to altar sexual orientation before they are born - hypocrites.  And for Anti-abortionists, if it's immoral to mess with fetus then why would you favor altaring sexual orientation?  You hyporcrites.

Then how do you explain people raised in the same environment turning out differently?

by changing the environment and making new memories.  It's a matter of choice.  I grew up in somewhat broken family. I wanted my parents to divorce cause they fought all the time - I should be very bitter about it but I chose to change and changed my environment.  People come out of closet later in their life and some gays choose to get married and have heterosexual life, etc.

Yes, but that doesn't change their sexual orientation. Do you think the guy that comws out as gay at 40 after 10 years of marriage to a woman was really ever straight? Or that the gay guy who decides to marry a woman 'cause it's the "acceptable" thing to do is really all of the sudden straight? Better yet what do you think sexual orietnation is? The answer to that may explain your view.

I'm not 100% certain on this.  There was a time I was sure that most homosexuals were born with thier sexual orientation.  then a study in the early 90's by U.C.L.A. sociologist concluded that he was able to predict with 80% accuracy, who will have homosexual tendencies by studying their childhood environment.  And I got into this Lipton guy - biologist, who also believes how our first 7 years of life's environment plays major role on who we become.

So as of this moment I believe mostly that our environment plays a major role.  This means that when we as a society accepts gay lifestyle, there will be higher percentage of homosexuals. 



Slimebeast said:
highwaystar101 said:

You took my quote hilariously out of context.

What I did say in essence was that homosexuality under regular conditions (i.e. the causes behind the majority of homosexuals) isn't harmful to a persons well being. A person can be homosexual and lead a perfectly normal and healthy life.

Whereas a person who has CAH cannot lead such a healthy life, having the condition is harmful to them. They suffer from infertility, ambiguous genitalia, problem with pubic development, growth problems, etc... And homosexuality is just another thing they suffer from.

To put it simply: Homosexuals who are so under regular conditions do not suffer from it. Whereas people with CAH do suffer from their homosexuality.

But why would they suffer from their homosexuality?



He explained it perfectly, I don't get how your having such a hard time grasping such a simple point?

I find some of the views expressed here pretty interesting seeing as how I just got my BS in Biology and I'm going for my Masters in advanced physiology now. A lot of people are badly misinformed when it comes to genetics.



                                           

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Coca-Cola said:
sapphi_snake said:
Coca-Cola said:
sapphi_snake said:
Coca-Cola said:

This.

It's not about curing lesbianism and does not prove anything about people born gay - I still believe we are created in the image of our environment

having said that, this is very interesting.  What if we can altar sexual orientation?  Now that would be a topic to discuss.  I'm afraid that most anti-abortion people will be for it and Right to choose people will be against it.  Ironic isn't it?   Seriously, if people believe we can abort little babies, why shouldn't we be able to altar sexual orientation before they are born - hypocrites.  And for Anti-abortionists, if it's immoral to mess with fetus then why would you favor altaring sexual orientation?  You hyporcrites.

Then how do you explain people raised in the same environment turning out differently?

by changing the environment and making new memories.  It's a matter of choice.  I grew up in somewhat broken family. I wanted my parents to divorce cause they fought all the time - I should be very bitter about it but I chose to change and changed my environment.  People come out of closet later in their life and some gays choose to get married and have heterosexual life, etc.

Yes, but that doesn't change their sexual orientation. Do you think the guy that comws out as gay at 40 after 10 years of marriage to a woman was really ever straight? Or that the gay guy who decides to marry a woman 'cause it's the "acceptable" thing to do is really all of the sudden straight? Better yet what do you think sexual orietnation is? The answer to that may explain your view.

I'm not 100% certain on this.  There was a time I was sure that most homosexuals were born with thier sexual orientation.  then a study in the early 90's by U.C.L.A. sociologist concluded that he was able to predict with 80% accuracy, who will have homosexual tendencies by studying their childhood environment.  And I got into this Lipton guy - biologist, who also believes how our first 7 years of life's environment plays major role on who we become.

So as of this moment I believe mostly that our environment plays a major role.  This means that when we as a society accepts gay lifestyle, there will be higher percentage of homosexuals. 

First, link to the article please! Personally I've never trusted pseudo-scientists like sociologists, but I'd like to read it.

Second, the more we accept the gay lifestyle, the more people who are gay will come out. I doubt that most gay people come from gay friendly families who encourage their kids to be gay. The reason why it may seem that there are more gay people today than in the past is largely due to the fact that, due to the wider acceptance of homosexuality, gay people who would've repressed themselves in the past do not do that now.  Plus, what is this environment that makes peopel become gay? 'Cause I know that gay people came from all kinds of environments, and many have siblings raised in the same environment who are straight.

Please provide a link to the article in question.



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Slimebeast said:
highwaystar101 said:

You took my quote hilariously out of context.

What I did say in essence was that homosexuality under regular conditions (i.e. the causes behind the majority of homosexuals) isn't harmful to a persons well being. A person can be homosexual and lead a perfectly normal and healthy life.

Whereas a person who has CAH cannot lead such a healthy life, having the condition is harmful to them. They suffer from infertility, ambiguous genitalia, problem with pubic development, growth problems, etc... And homosexuality is just another thing they suffer from.

To put it simply: Homosexuals who are so under regular conditions do not suffer from it. Whereas people with CAH do suffer from their homosexuality.

But why would they suffer from their homosexuality?

Haven't you figured it out yet Slimebeast? Why I seem to be concerned with this thread? I knew a woman with CAH whilst I was working part-time during my first year at University. The one thing that I can say about her and her condition is that she suffered a lot.

I just can't be bothered to argue with you in this thread any more. Sorry.