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cmeese47 on 24 August 2010

Gee just what we need is less lesbians, damn science trying to ruin the internet.



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MrBubbles on 24 August 2010
superchunk said:

1. This proves people are born gay and its not a choice.

2. This is utterly ridiculas as they have no clue what the 'gay gene' may or may not be, so they have no idea if a fetus is potentially going to be gay and thus can't determine if some other drug is having any affect on that.

 

i think it only proves that these people(those with CAH)  are likely to be born gay.



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Slimebeast on 24 August 2010
highwaystar101 said:
primogen18 said:
highwaystar101 said:

No, it's not an unfortunate coincidence, it's a symptom of the condition. A child born with congenital adrenal hyperplasia will likely be a lesbian, but given this treatment their orientation potential will return to be more "normal" (towards that of the general population).

It is removing a harmful thing, but the harmful things includes a much higher tendency towards becoming homosexual.

Your last statement really kills your entire post...

Why? Homosexuality under regular conditions is a perfectly fine thing, not harmful at all. But when it comes as part of a condition which affects  person's sexuality in such a manner as CAH it is a harmful thing to their well being.

Basically the homosexuality in CAH isn't really natural, it's a symptom of the condition, and therefore different from regular homosexuality. It's not the same.

What does this mean? How do you know the same mechanism isn't involved in "natural" or "regular" homosexuality (whatever that is), namely that the sexual part of the brain is subject to altered hormonal regulation under a critical stage of fetal development?



highwaystar101 on 25 August 2010
Slimebeast said:
highwaystar101 said:

Why? Homosexuality under regular conditions is a perfectly fine thing, not harmful at all. But when it comes as part of a condition which affects  person's sexuality in such a manner as CAH it is a harmful thing to their well being.

Basically the homosexuality in CAH isn't really natural, it's a symptom of the condition, and therefore different from regular homosexuality. It's not the same.

What does this mean? How do you know the same mechanism isn't involved in "natural" or "regular" homosexuality (whatever that is), namely that the sexual part of the brain is subject to altered hormonal regulation under a critical stage of fetal development?

Do you actively seek out my posts and reply to them? lol

Anyway, I never said the mechanism was different, I said that they were being affected by their condition. It's the same mechanism, but altered to cause a substantially higher chance of homosexuality.

The mechanism isn't what I'm particularly interested in anyway, the thing that matters is that they have a  higher chance of being homosexual as a direct result of their condition.



Killiana1a on 25 August 2010
cmeese47 said:

Gee just what we need is less lesbians, damn science trying to ruin the internet.

Those girls you play the skin flute to are being paid thousands if not tens of thousands to do that. Furthermore, most of them are drunk and/or high at the time.

Don't worry, there will always be girls next door who will eat a rug under the right conditions.



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sapphi_snake on 25 August 2010
Coca-Cola said:

This.

It's not about curing lesbianism and does not prove anything about people born gay - I still believe we are created in the image of our environment

having said that, this is very interesting.  What if we can altar sexual orientation?  Now that would be a topic to discuss.  I'm afraid that most anti-abortion people will be for it and Right to choose people will be against it.  Ironic isn't it?   Seriously, if people believe we can abort little babies, why shouldn't we be able to altar sexual orientation before they are born - hypocrites.  And for Anti-abortionists, if it's immoral to mess with fetus then why would you favor altaring sexual orientation?  You hyporcrites.

Then how do you explain people raised in the same environment turning out differently?



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Slimebeast on 25 August 2010
highwaystar101 said:
Slimebeast said:
highwaystar101 said:

Why? Homosexuality under regular conditions is a perfectly fine thing, not harmful at all. But when it comes as part of a condition which affects  person's sexuality in such a manner as CAH it is a harmful thing to their well being.

Basically the homosexuality in CAH isn't really natural, it's a symptom of the condition, and therefore different from regular homosexuality. It's not the same.

What does this mean? How do you know the same mechanism isn't involved in "natural" or "regular" homosexuality (whatever that is), namely that the sexual part of the brain is subject to altered hormonal regulation under a critical stage of fetal development?

Do you actively seek out my posts and reply to them? lol

Anyway, I never said the mechanism was different, I said that they were being affected by their condition. It's the same mechanism, but altered to cause a substantially higher chance of homosexuality.

The mechanism isn't what I'm particularly interested in anyway, the thing that matters is that they have a  higher chance of being homosexual as a direct result of their condition.

Yes I seek them out lol.

Now you are babbling. You said:

"Homosexuality under regular conditions is a perfectly fine thing, not harmful at all. But when it comes as part of a condition which affects  person's sexuality in such a manner as CAH it is a harmful thing to their well being"

...which makes no sense. Who are you to decide which form of homosexuality is normal and which is not lol?



Coca-Cola on 25 August 2010
sapphi_snake said:
Coca-Cola said:

This.

It's not about curing lesbianism and does not prove anything about people born gay - I still believe we are created in the image of our environment

having said that, this is very interesting.  What if we can altar sexual orientation?  Now that would be a topic to discuss.  I'm afraid that most anti-abortion people will be for it and Right to choose people will be against it.  Ironic isn't it?   Seriously, if people believe we can abort little babies, why shouldn't we be able to altar sexual orientation before they are born - hypocrites.  And for Anti-abortionists, if it's immoral to mess with fetus then why would you favor altaring sexual orientation?  You hyporcrites.

Then how do you explain people raised in the same environment turning out differently?

by changing the environment and making new memories.  It's a matter of choice.  I grew up in somewhat broken family. I wanted my parents to divorce cause they fought all the time - I should be very bitter about it but I chose to change and changed my environment.  People come out of closet later in their life and some gays choose to get married and have heterosexual life, etc.



sapphi_snake on 25 August 2010
Coca-Cola said:
sapphi_snake said:
Coca-Cola said:

This.

It's not about curing lesbianism and does not prove anything about people born gay - I still believe we are created in the image of our environment

having said that, this is very interesting.  What if we can altar sexual orientation?  Now that would be a topic to discuss.  I'm afraid that most anti-abortion people will be for it and Right to choose people will be against it.  Ironic isn't it?   Seriously, if people believe we can abort little babies, why shouldn't we be able to altar sexual orientation before they are born - hypocrites.  And for Anti-abortionists, if it's immoral to mess with fetus then why would you favor altaring sexual orientation?  You hyporcrites.

Then how do you explain people raised in the same environment turning out differently?

by changing the environment and making new memories.  It's a matter of choice.  I grew up in somewhat broken family. I wanted my parents to divorce cause they fought all the time - I should be very bitter about it but I chose to change and changed my environment.  People come out of closet later in their life and some gays choose to get married and have heterosexual life, etc.

Yes, but that doesn't change their sexual orientation. Do you think the guy that comws out as gay at 40 after 10 years of marriage to a woman was really ever straight? Or that the gay guy who decides to marry a woman 'cause it's the "acceptable" thing to do is really all of the sudden straight? Better yet what do you think sexual orietnation is? The answer to that may explain your view.



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highwaystar101 on 25 August 2010
Slimebeast said:
highwaystar101 said:
Slimebeast said:
highwaystar101 said:

Why? Homosexuality under regular conditions is a perfectly fine thing, not harmful at all. But when it comes as part of a condition which affects  person's sexuality in such a manner as CAH it is a harmful thing to their well being.

Basically the homosexuality in CAH isn't really natural, it's a symptom of the condition, and therefore different from regular homosexuality. It's not the same.

What does this mean? How do you know the same mechanism isn't involved in "natural" or "regular" homosexuality (whatever that is), namely that the sexual part of the brain is subject to altered hormonal regulation under a critical stage of fetal development?

Do you actively seek out my posts and reply to them? lol

Anyway, I never said the mechanism was different, I said that they were being affected by their condition. It's the same mechanism, but altered to cause a substantially higher chance of homosexuality.

The mechanism isn't what I'm particularly interested in anyway, the thing that matters is that they have a  higher chance of being homosexual as a direct result of their condition.

Yes I seek them out lol.

Now you are babbling. You said:

"Homosexuality under regular conditions is a perfectly fine thing, not harmful at all. But when it comes as part of a condition which affects  person's sexuality in such a manner as CAH it is a harmful thing to their well being"

...which makes no sense. Who are you to decide which form of homosexuality is normal and which is not lol?

You took my quote hilariously out of context.

What I did say in essence was that homosexuality under regular conditions (i.e. the causes behind the majority of homosexuals) isn't harmful to a persons well being. A person can be homosexual and lead a perfectly normal and healthy life.

Whereas a person who has CAH cannot lead such a healthy life, having the condition is harmful to them. They suffer from infertility, ambiguous genitalia, problem with pubic development, growth problems, etc... And homosexuality is just another thing they suffer from.

To put it simply: Homosexuals who are so under regular conditions do not suffer from it. Whereas people with CAH do suffer from their homosexuality.