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M.U.G.E.N on 18 August 2010
selnor said:
theprof00 said:

I hope they are found guilty. You can plainly see the difference with the naked eye.

Really though, I just want them to lose so I an say that "according to law, ps3>360" XD


This is a very terrible statement. And will only entice a war on here.

The 2 versions are near Identical. There is minor differences, but very minor they are.

I hope Square Enix get away unscathed from this. It's the rest of the world that needs to wake up.


it's called a joke.....you know? funny funny? and entice a 'war'? lol owkieeee then



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theprof00 on 18 August 2010
selnor said:
theprof00 said:

I hope they are found guilty. You can plainly see the difference with the naked eye.

Really though, I just want them to lose so I an say that "according to law, ps3>360" XD


This is a very terrible statement. And will only entice a war on here.

The 2 versions are near Identical. There is minor differences, but very minor they are.

I hope Square Enix get away unscathed from this. It's the rest of the world that needs to wake up.

O_o??



selnor on 18 August 2010
theprof00 said:
selnor said:
theprof00 said:

I hope they are found guilty. You can plainly see the difference with the naked eye.

Really though, I just want them to lose so I an say that "according to law, ps3>360" XD


This is a very terrible statement. And will only entice a war on here.

The 2 versions are near Identical. There is minor differences, but very minor they are.

I hope Square Enix get away unscathed from this. It's the rest of the world that needs to wake up.

O_o??


Sorry, if you were joking. It didn't seem like it.



Euphoria14 on 18 August 2010
selnor said:
Euphoria14 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Euphoria14 said:
rutea7 said:

let me see if i got this straight:

the commercial that fans gave them shit about because they used PS3 footage and they apologized for, saying they had no idea how did that happen (lol)....

now they are getting legitimate shit for it and they say "it's not like the gamers can tell the difference"

why didnt they change it when "we" complained?

It also looks worse because if you remember they also released XBox360 screenshots that were actually PS3 screenshots photoshopped with XBox360 buttons. With that happening before this commercial aired.


ooh something like that happened? lmaolmao... how did I miss it :S


http://kotaku.com/5471186/square-enix-probing-altered-ffxiii-comparison-shots-[update]

 

Also, the commercial is now banned.

Also apparently this was caught late because the ASA trusted S-E when they were told that there were no differences between the two versions and that both versions where made to run in the same resolution.

Actually no. It was one fanboy gamer who wrote into Watchdog in the UK. 1 writer triggered ASA sitting down with the 2 versions. ( and admitting themselves that the difference is minimal ), in other words unoticeable. 

Also Square Enix were the ones to make the footage. Not M$. So we shouldn't be blaming M$ here. Square have already said it was them.


Yes, it was originally pointed out by a disgruntled gamer, but the Gamespot article also notes that the ASA let it go at first because they were assured that the 2 versions had no differences and S-E said that both version were made to run in the same resolution.

I also am just speculating on why MS is being targeted by the analyst. Like I said, they paid for the wester advertising, hence the reason why PS3 is not mentioned what so ever in the article.

I understand that this pretty much all falls on S-E's shoulders in the end.



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themanwithnoname on 18 August 2010
Euphoria14 said:
themanwithnoname said:
Euphoria14 said:

If you did it I could care less. You're the only one in this thread turning this into a PS3 vs. 360 multiplat argument instead of actually focusing on the the reasoning for the article.


I've gotta tell you, I love how many people on these boards apparently have gotten a degree in using strawmen. Why don't you go read the part I bolded, specifically the last part, and tell me that I'm trying to turn this into a multiplat argument. Oh hell, I'll spell it out for you. My point is, the first paragraph is a bunch of nonsense, because about 99% of multiplats are exactly the same now. Maybe if this happened to 100 other games advertised for the 360 would this hurt Microsoft, but do you honestly think anybody outside of gaming boards actually cares? That's my point. Not some "The Xbox 360 has better looking multiplat games than the PS3" BS argument that you've strawmanned me into having.


I did read it and you went from an anonymous analysts opinion of why it could hurt MS to talking about how people are crazy if they think that a plethora of "superior" multiplats will end up on PS3. Here it is:

"it was one of the rare exceptions that the PS3 version was actually "superior" to the 360 one, so anybody acting like this is going to happen a plethora of times in the future is kidding themselves."

So, did I read it wrong? The way I read it could easily be read the same way, especially with the quotation marks around "superior". If I did read it wrong I apologize, but cut the condescending shit. You don't need to "Spell out" anything for me. 

This whole thing could have been avoided by you simply saying that your plethora statement had to do with misleading commercials and not multiplat quality.

 

What I am saying that if a commercial is deemed as misleading, every person involved "could" experience negative backlash, this is why the analyst said what he did.

Again, NOT what I said at all. I was pretty clearly referring to a company using footage from the version of another game and advertising it as the other version. That won't happen again in the future. Why? Because all multiplats are equal. Maybe I wouldn't act condescending if you would stop twisting my arguments into a flame war where there isn't one.



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Euphoria14 on 18 August 2010
selnor said:
theprof00 said:
selnor said:
theprof00 said:

I hope they are found guilty. You can plainly see the difference with the naked eye.

Really though, I just want them to lose so I an say that "according to law, ps3>360" XD


This is a very terrible statement. And will only entice a war on here.

The 2 versions are near Identical. There is minor differences, but very minor they are.

I hope Square Enix get away unscathed from this. It's the rest of the world that needs to wake up.

O_o??


Sorry, if you were joking. It didn't seem like it.

I think he made that response because you pretty much just defended false advertisement by hoping that S-E gets away unscathed, opening up the door for things like this happening again.



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Euphoria14 on 18 August 2010
themanwithnoname said:
Euphoria14 said:
themanwithnoname said:
Euphoria14 said:

If you did it I could care less. You're the only one in this thread turning this into a PS3 vs. 360 multiplat argument instead of actually focusing on the the reasoning for the article.


I've gotta tell you, I love how many people on these boards apparently have gotten a degree in using strawmen. Why don't you go read the part I bolded, specifically the last part, and tell me that I'm trying to turn this into a multiplat argument. Oh hell, I'll spell it out for you. My point is, the first paragraph is a bunch of nonsense, because about 99% of multiplats are exactly the same now. Maybe if this happened to 100 other games advertised for the 360 would this hurt Microsoft, but do you honestly think anybody outside of gaming boards actually cares? That's my point. Not some "The Xbox 360 has better looking multiplat games than the PS3" BS argument that you've strawmanned me into having.


I did read it and you went from an anonymous analysts opinion of why it could hurt MS to talking about how people are crazy if they think that a plethora of "superior" multiplats will end up on PS3. Here it is:

"it was one of the rare exceptions that the PS3 version was actually "superior" to the 360 one, so anybody acting like this is going to happen a plethora of times in the future is kidding themselves."

So, did I read it wrong? The way I read it could easily be read the same way, especially with the quotation marks around "superior". If I did read it wrong I apologize, but cut the condescending shit. You don't need to "Spell out" anything for me. 

This whole thing could have been avoided by you simply saying that your plethora statement had to do with misleading commercials and not multiplat quality.

 

What I am saying that if a commercial is deemed as misleading, every person involved "could" experience negative backlash, this is why the analyst said what he did.

Again, NOT what I said at all. I was pretty clearly referring to a company using footage from the version of another game and advertising it as the other version. That won't happen again in the future. Why? Because all multiplats are equal. Maybe I wouldn't act condescending if you would stop twisting my arguments into a flame war where there isn't one.

Good job reading the rest of my post pal. I already acknowledged that you could have in fact been referring to false advertisement and not multiplat quality.

I twisted nothing that you said, only I seem to have misunderstood. You really do need to relax because it was a mistake and honestly not as big of a deal as you are making it out to be.



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selnor on 18 August 2010
Euphoria14 said:
selnor said:
theprof00 said:
selnor said:
theprof00 said:

I hope they are found guilty. You can plainly see the difference with the naked eye.

Really though, I just want them to lose so I an say that "according to law, ps3>360" XD


This is a very terrible statement. And will only entice a war on here.

The 2 versions are near Identical. There is minor differences, but very minor they are.

I hope Square Enix get away unscathed from this. It's the rest of the world that needs to wake up.

O_o??


Sorry, if you were joking. It didn't seem like it.

I think he made that response because you pretty much just defended false advertisement by hoping that S-E gets away unscathed, opening up the door for things like this happening again.

I dont agree with false advertisemnet. 

But this is overboard. If the PS3 version was notably better without Digital Foundry, and if the PS3 version had certain content the 360 version didnt which was shown in the advert then yeah I agree. 

But this is really splitting hairs. SE probably did the Japan stuff from PS3 and decided to take footage from the same time to save doing more again. I think it was innocent.



theprof00 on 18 August 2010
Euphoria14 said:
selnor said:
theprof00 said:
selnor said:
theprof00 said:

I hope they are found guilty. You can plainly see the difference with the naked eye.

Really though, I just want them to lose so I an say that "according to law, ps3>360" XD


This is a very terrible statement. And will only entice a war on here.

The 2 versions are near Identical. There is minor differences, but very minor they are.

I hope Square Enix get away unscathed from this. It's the rest of the world that needs to wake up.

O_o??


Sorry, if you were joking. It didn't seem like it.

I think he made that response because you pretty much just defended false advertisement by hoping that S-E gets away unscathed, opening up the door for things like this happening again.

ROFL.

it was both actually, I was just joking, but the response was pretty amazing if you ask me. I'm sure I could find  a comparison thread's he's made showing a multi-plat compared to another and claiming one is better than the other.

For me, it's a non-issue who did it. It's obviously false advertising. It's like when a multiplat game is shown and then at the end it has the xbox logo and says "ONLY ON XBOX LIVE". But it's a multiplat game?!?! I mean, if they don't get lose for that, then they won't get lose to this lawsuit.

Advertising is so full of loop-holes and blatant lying anyway. I could care less. I mean juicy juice still says 100% real juice on it. Like wtf?



selnor on 18 August 2010
theprof00 said:
Euphoria14 said:
selnor said:
theprof00 said:
selnor said:
theprof00 said:

I hope they are found guilty. You can plainly see the difference with the naked eye.

Really though, I just want them to lose so I an say that "according to law, ps3>360" XD


This is a very terrible statement. And will only entice a war on here.

The 2 versions are near Identical. There is minor differences, but very minor they are.

I hope Square Enix get away unscathed from this. It's the rest of the world that needs to wake up.

O_o??


Sorry, if you were joking. It didn't seem like it.

I think he made that response because you pretty much just defended false advertisement by hoping that S-E gets away unscathed, opening up the door for things like this happening again.

ROFL.

it was both actually, I was just joking, but the response was pretty amazing if you ask me. I'm sure I could find  a comparison thread's he's made showing a multi-plat compared to another and claiming one is better than the other.

For me, it's a non-issue who did it. It's obviously false advertising. It's like when a multiplat game is shown and then at the end it has the xbox logo and says "ONLY ON XBOX LIVE". But it's a multiplat game?!?! I mean, if they don't get lose for that, then they won't get lose to this lawsuit.

Advertising is so full of loop-holes and blatant lying anyway. I could care less. I mean juicy juice still says 100% real juice on it. Like wtf?

I dont get involved with multiplat proving. It's pointless and stupid. Yes it does exit a superior version. A fanboy I might be, but splitting hairs on multiplats I dont do. It's silly. They look the same to me with the naked eye. All multiplats. Unless I study the images frame by frame. Which I dont do whilst playing. 

I couldn't care less about an extra tree or something.