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Speaking of Lair of the Shadow Broker, here are my thoughts:

**SPOILER WARNING**

Does anyone think that the Yagh wasn't the real (or only) Shadow Broker?  For some reason, I get the feeling that there is more to Feron than what has been shown so far.  First of all, we know just how ruthless the Shadow Broker can be, so why keep Feron alive for so long?

Second, the Shadow Broker has been portrayed as a very calculating individual who has managed to keep his identity a secret for so long, yet with a little provocation from Liara, the "Shadow Broker" instantly loses his temper and becomes feral, which just doesn't seem to fit with what I would expect from such an elusive individual.

Third, the info drone (that supposedly recognizes everyone in the room as "Shadow Broker") seems to be awfully attached to Feron.  I don't know, something just feels suspicious about Feron.

I have seen the dossier information that purportedly links the Yagh to the current Shadow Broker, but I do think that it's possible that the information on the dossier could have been manipulated to frame the Yagh as the Shadow Broker by someone else.



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As to your second point, that's actually addressed in his dossier.

I took the whole sequence at face value.

Based on my experience of the graphic novel, I wouldn't think anything in particular of Feron (for a lot of reasons)



Khuutra said:

As to your second point, that's actually addressed in his dossier.

I took the whole sequence at face value.

Based on my experience of the graphic novel, I wouldn't think anything in particular of Feron (for a lot of reasons)


I edited my previous post, but yes, I read the dossier that supposedly explains how the Yagh became the new Shadow Broker.  I also read Redemption, and nothing in it really links Feron to being the Shadow Broker.

I do realize I'm really grasping at air here (as from what we've been shown, the Yagh was indeed the Shadow Broker), but I personally can't shake the feeling that there is more to the situation than what Bioware has led on in the DLC.



arcelonious said:
Khuutra said:

As to your second point, that's actually addressed in his dossier.

I took the whole sequence at face value.

Based on my experience of the graphic novel, I wouldn't think anything in particular of Feron (for a lot of reasons)


I edited my previous post, but yes, I read the dossier that supposedly explains how the Yagh became the new Shadow Broker.  I also read Redemption, and nothing in it really links Feron to being the Shadow Broker.

I do realize I'm really grasping at air here (as from what we've been shown, the Yagh was indeed the Shadow Broker), but I personally can't shake the feeling that there is more to the situation than what Bioware has led on in the DLC.

Were that the case, wouldn't it have proven more difficult to gain control of the Broker's information network?  There were no safeguards implemented and all of the agents seem to be perfectly accepting of the new situation as being the status quo.



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Here's a question: I enjoyed the game much more than the first, and thought that ME2 was a good game. That's about it, I didn't love it as much as everyone else.


Is the DLC worth the cost?



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outlawauron said:

Here's a question: I enjoyed the game much more than the first, and thought that ME2 was a good game. That's about it, I didn't love it as much as everyone else.


Is the DLC worth the cost?

Depends.

The weapon packs aren't really going to do it for you unless you plan to replay the game a bunch. You don't, so they're not a good investment.

Ditto Kasumi. She's a lot of fun, but for seven bucks you would need to use her in missions to get the best possible use out of her.

Overlord is a self-contained batch of missions, but when I say self-contained I mean that very seriously. It does not directly connect to any other event in ME2, though I suspect it will in ME3. It has some of theg ame's most unique scenarios, is extremely atmospheric, and is emotionally genuine.

Lair of the Shadow Broker ties into the larger story arc of the entire trilogy, features some of the best combat in any of the games, easily has the best writing and banter (between Liara and Shepard), and has far and away the prettiest setpieces. It clocks in at about two hours, but there is an hour's worth of extremely entertaining reading material and video to watch afterward.

If you want my opinion, based on the fact that you probably aren't a replayer, Lair of the Shadow Broker is the only one that's just "OH MY CHRIST GOTTA HAVE IT". I thinkn all of them are worth the money, but that is because I have played the game enough times to make some people weep. Even my wife has played through twice (coming up on a third), and even my sister-in-law is on her second run. Worth it for me. Maybe not for you.

LotSB, though. Look into that.



I think I am half through Mass Effect 2 (about twenty hours and a bit more, have most of my eight buddies in "loyal" status and I'm picking up my ninth) and I can't tell what a huge score it is for Sony to get this game in its console. I am overwhelmed by the experience. I never suspected a game could center itself around the "ethical action" as this one has done.

It is all about choosing and dealing with the comsequences. Though the systems seems a bit shallow as it structures itself in a dicotomy (renegade - paragon), you are constructing who you are with every single choice you make. You chose which means are legit to reach your goals and you even get to choose many goals. I do care about the characters. A lot. So making an impact on their personalities by my course of choice is a big deal to me.

I just think BioWare will have to do something huge to make up the newbiees for the experience those who played the first one had when they had to deal with their choices: that's actually the most fun of it.



**SPOILER ALERT**

OK, I just reread Redemption, and if there's one thing I can take from the graphic novel about Feron's character, it is that he is not someone you can trust.  Throughout the series, Liara constantly questions Feron's allegiances, as he reveals that he's not just some contact, but has ties with the Shadow Broker, as well as ties with Cerberus, and that his very actions are shady (e.g., pretending to miss Tazzik's ship).

This is just my theory (which I readily admit that I have no proof of), but I think that for whatever reason at the end of Redemption, Feron wanted Liara to think that he was dead.  However, instead of Liara moving on, she made a personal vendetta on the Shadow Broker, that she maintained for the next two years.  This eventually leads Feron to resolve this matter, so he "leaks" information to Cerberus on his whereabouts, which then causes the events in the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC.  When Shepard and Liara find him, Feron then urges Liara and Shepard to finish off the "Shadow Broker" (who was INDEED his subordinate or "pet") so that he can be freed.  If you noticed, when the Yahg is defeated, Feron kind of "vanishes" when the light flickers.  However, instead of Liara being done with her vendetta and moving on, she again surprises him by becoming the "new" Shadow Broker.  Immediately afterwards, Feron states that he needs to "check the power supply" and heads off (I'm guessing here that he secretly reprograms the drone to identify everyone in the room as Shadow Broker, instead of only him).  If Feron was the real Shadow Broker, he could have also manipulated the dossier information to make Liara think that the Yahg was the Shadow Broker.

Yes, I know, it is a very far out theory.  But honestly, who fits more as the Shadow Broker, a feral, shield-wielding monster-alien, or this guy.



arcelonious said:

**SPOILER ALERT**

OK, I just reread Redemption, and if there's one thing I can take from the graphic novel about Feron's character, it is that he is not someone you can trust.  Throughout the series, Liara constantly questions Feron's allegiances, as he reveals that he's not just some contact, but has ties with the Shadow Broker, as well as ties with Cerberus, and that his very actions are shady (e.g., pretending to miss Tazzik's ship).

This is just my theory (which I readily admit that I have no proof of), but I think that for whatever reason at the end of Redemption, Feron wanted Liara to think that he was dead.  However, instead of Liara moving on, she made a personal vendetta on the Shadow Broker, that she maintained for the next two years.  This eventually leads Feron to resolve this matter, so he "leaks" information to Cerberus on his whereabouts, which then causes the events in the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC.  When Shepard and Liara find him, Feron then urges Liara and Shepard to finish off the "Shadow Broker" (who was INDEED his subordinate or "pet") so that he can be freed.  If you noticed, when the Yahg is defeated, Feron kind of "vanishes" when the light flickers.  However, instead of Liara being done with her vendetta and moving on, she again surprises him by becoming the "new" Shadow Broker.  Immediately afterwards, Feron states that he needs to "check the power supply" and heads off (I'm guessing here that he secretly reprograms the drone to identify everyone in the room as Shadow Broker, instead of only him).  If Feron was the real Shadow Broker, he could have also manipulated the dossier information to make Liara think that the Yahg was the Shadow Broker.

Yes, I know, it is a very far out theory.  But honestly, who fits more as the Shadow Broker, a feral, shield-wielding monster-alien, or this guy.

*SPOILER*

*SERIOUS SPOILER*

Listen, if Feron was the Shadow Broker, then who was Harbinger talking to? And why would Feron bother going out on missions and getting shot at at all?



Khuutra said:
arcelonious said:

**SPOILER ALERT**

OK, I just reread Redemption, and if there's one thing I can take from the graphic novel about Feron's character, it is that he is not someone you can trust.  Throughout the series, Liara constantly questions Feron's allegiances, as he reveals that he's not just some contact, but has ties with the Shadow Broker, as well as ties with Cerberus, and that his very actions are shady (e.g., pretending to miss Tazzik's ship).

This is just my theory (which I readily admit that I have no proof of), but I think that for whatever reason at the end of Redemption, Feron wanted Liara to think that he was dead.  However, instead of Liara moving on, she made a personal vendetta on the Shadow Broker, that she maintained for the next two years.  This eventually leads Feron to resolve this matter, so he "leaks" information to Cerberus on his whereabouts, which then causes the events in the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC.  When Shepard and Liara find him, Feron then urges Liara and Shepard to finish off the "Shadow Broker" (who was INDEED his subordinate or "pet") so that he can be freed.  If you noticed, when the Yahg is defeated, Feron kind of "vanishes" when the light flickers.  However, instead of Liara being done with her vendetta and moving on, she again surprises him by becoming the "new" Shadow Broker.  Immediately afterwards, Feron states that he needs to "check the power supply" and heads off (I'm guessing here that he secretly reprograms the drone to identify everyone in the room as Shadow Broker, instead of only him).  If Feron was the real Shadow Broker, he could have also manipulated the dossier information to make Liara think that the Yahg was the Shadow Broker.

Yes, I know, it is a very far out theory.  But honestly, who fits more as the Shadow Broker, a feral, shield-wielding monster-alien, or this guy.

*SPOILER*

*SERIOUS SPOILER*

Listen, if Feron was the Shadow Broker, then who was Harbinger talking to? And why would Feron bother going out on missions and getting shot at at all?

At the end of Issue 3, Liara initially thinks that she is talking to the Shadow Broker, which actually turns out to be a sophisticated machine, so it's possible that Harbinger was also talking to something like that.

As for Feron in the field instead of sitting in a chair somewhere, maybe he's more active in his work than people have been led to believe.  Again, I already know that my theory is out there, with the current information leading us to believe that the Yahg was the Shadow Broker.  Maybe we'll see more in the third game, or maybe we won't.