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Khuutra said:
noname2200 said:

I see.  What throws me off about that particular post is that it has you conceiving that the Kratos character could ever realistically be pro-town.  This should not be a logical conclusion for you in particular to draw, regardless of what side of the line Zeus is on.  That is especially true now that you've told us that you begin with the assumption that video-game alignments mesh with the mafia-game alignments.  The more I think about it the less I understand why you picked Kratos as your example of a pro-town role, since it contradicts your own interpretation of the series' real villain.

It raises my suspicions to see this contradiction, especially when combined with some of your other posts, but at this point I'd like to hear what others think.

How the Hell long did you search for-

You know what

Nevermind

Listen, the assumption concerning Kratos being pro-town comes off of his .... [spoiler] in God of War 3, which makes him into a tragic hero rather than a villain. He's even sympathetic, in the end. You can't use a post from eighteen months ago to try to frame my current mindset, especially with the advent of an entire game's worth of development and catharsis between the two times.

Actually, I'd like you to explain why you thought it reasonable to assume that my opinion of him wouldn't change in the interim-

And why that would have anything to do with the default perspective of Kratos as the protagonist regardless. He is the protagonist, even if he is an enormous villain.

Google; it really is everything it's cracked up to be.

As for the rest of your post, perhaps you're right: I haven't played the final game (Kratos turned me off to the series after the first game), which is partly why I'm turning to others to fill in the gaps for me.  If they say I'm barking up the wrong tree, so be it. 

But this has everything to do with whether Kratos would be pro-or-anti-town, especially after what you said your method for approaching these games is.  If Kratos is the villain of the series, then under your system he would logically be anti-town: being the PC amounts to diddly-squat in that analysis.  If this was a Macbeth-themed game no one, for example, would reasonably believe that Macbeth would be the pro-town figure, even if he is the titular and main character.  Unless GodOfWar has completely flipped the rules on us, the town is made up of the good guys and the scum are made up of the villains: if Kratos is the villain of the series, under your system of thinking he could not be pro-town.  And lo and behold, he appears to be our serial killer after all.



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hatmoza said:
noname2200 said:

, since it contradicts your own interpretation of the series' real villain.

It raises my suspicions to see this contradiction, especially when combined with some of your other posts, but at this point I'd like to hear what others think.

Contradiction or no, I think you are taking this game waaaaaaay too serious as to go as far as quoting something Khuutra said almost 2 years ago O_o

lol

All right, last thing I'm goign to say:

What would a fallacious assumption about Kratos's alignment even mean? Ignoring the fact that I changed my mind about him in the interim (to a degree) or that I was speaking out of hand or that I already admitted to using "hero" when I meant "protagonist" - wy would it matter if I mistakenly assumed Kratos to be a hero?



Jesus Christ guys.

Stop this whole argument about the affiliation of Kratos.

It's serving no purpose and assuming that Kratos is good or evil are both reasonable thoughts to make and there are no ulterior motives to either train of thought.



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Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

Khuutra said:

All right, last thing I'm goign to say:

What would a fallacious assumption about Kratos's alignment even mean? Ignoring the fact that I changed my mind about him in the interim (to a degree) or that I was speaking out of hand or that I already admitted to using "hero" when I meant "protagonist" - wy would it matter if I mistakenly assumed Kratos to be a hero?

Part of it's the timing:  you alone requested hatmoza to name-claim, swallowed that claim promptly, then used Kratos' alignment as support for the idea that names and alignments don't necessarily match, i.e. your public reason for justifying any future suspicions of hatmoza.  If you're anti-town, it's a convenient way to get a small but free tidbit of info:  if any scum should somehow be pressed in the future, they'll now avoid claiming to be Athena, and you've still planted that seed of doubt about hatmoza's claim.  Admittedly, these actions are not exclusive to anti-town behavior, but there's definitely that benefit.

By itself, this isn't much, although the fact that you'd skipped over the opening post was a separate alarm bell at the time.  But several things in some of your posts have struck me as odd for you, and this post was the one that made me look back at the other posts a bit more closely.  The popular legal saying is that a brick is not a wall, but I want to submit this brick for future consideration if such is ever warranted.



Khuutra said:
Final-Fan said:
Kantor said:
TruckOSaurus said:
OMG! You're right! Bad Khuutra bad!
Kantor I want answers! Why did you feel you needed to change your statement?

I realised we hadn't started yet, and didn't want to start discussing the game.

FoS TruckOSaurus for prosecuting me so relentlessly.

Everything about that post rubs me the wrong way.  I flipped a coin between you and patapon and 

Vote Kantor

I need to go to sleep, but could you explain what about this rubbed you the wrong way? So I know why you want Kantor dead.

Weren't you listening?  Everything

But seriously it can be broken down into three distinct parts: 

I realized we hadn't started yet
IIRC he wasn't the only one to think this, but if you're changing your mind from "game has started" to "game has not started", well I just don't know how he could have come to that conclusion.  Overlooking the Day 1 Start post just doesn't seem adequate

and didn't want to start discussing the game
This is a TERRIBLE reason to edit a post in a game of Mafia.  You've said it, too late.  If you post and then you notice it was night, you don't fucking go and edit it out.  The mod can do that if he really wants to.  It would have been a less awful reason if he'd even said "I thought the game hadn't started so it was OK to edit" which though deeply mistaken would be more understandable to me.  (And he didn't even note the edit which is just so much worse)

FoS TruckOSaurus for prosecuting me so relentlessly. 
I'm not even sure what to say about this.  Was TOS really going after him that hard?  I didn't notice at the time that he was pushing Kantor all that hard.  Weren't there other people also doing it, too? -- why not FoS them as well?  Why should Kantor FoS at all, even if TOS was going after him?  Is that scummy somehow? 



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I saw a vote before, lets say as an example:

Vote: Lynch Kantor

Because kantie panties are faulty and can burn womens under regions.

Does that count??!??



Tease.

Squilliam said:

I saw a vote before, lets say as an example:

Vote: Lynch Kantor

Because kantie panties are faulty and can burn womens under regions.

Does that count??!??

That doesn't count cause you have to BOLD your vote.

example -

Vote : Kantor



GodOfWar_3ever said:
Squilliam said:

I saw a vote before, lets say as an example:

Vote: Lynch Kantor

Because kantie panties are faulty and can burn womens under regions.

Does that count??!??

That doesn't count cause you have to BOLD your vote.

example -

Vote : Kantor

I didn't want it to count, say had I bolded it would it have counted? Im not about to prematurely vote someone who might be Town off...



Tease.

Oh shit... now I can't edit. :/



Tease.

Squilliam said:

Oh shit... now I can't edit. :/

It doesn't count....and if you want to cancel your vote, all you have to do is,

unvote : kantor