little note, on GT4:

_ It released in 2005 when PS2 was at 82Milions

so now you left GT3 out and jst focusing on GT4

and even these number are lower than the 140m

  _after 20 weeks the game was at 5.7M, selling 32K (decreasing steadily)... so if it maintained that rythm to sell it's full numbers, it had to keep selling for over 2 years...

not really POLYPHONY has already  put out there numbers shiped in well before and VGC still isn't on the same point

_well into the PS3's lifespan... Dec 2008 it sold 30K per week, Dec 2009 6K a week.

That's VGC numbers

sure but the shipment had already taken place

there were some problem in GT4 numbers on VGC if you have been on the site long enough and noted.

for some time GT4 was stuck at 9.5m at VGC and then suddenly bumped to 10.4m.

so Polyshony's shiped number which stated 10.5m way before is the more reliable

So you think GT5 will push 7 million PS3s? Wake up from your alternate reality. If GT5 pushes 500,000 PS3s I'll be surprised. GT5 won't push half the consoles Halo 3 pushed and I'm sure it was less than a million.

I left out GT3 cause the numbers here are vastly incomplete and it didn't serve the argument, GT3 sold when the PS2 was between 20M and 82M.... which is still significant.

but still you claimed previous GT games had 100 or what 130-140m userbase

On the rest, I stand corrected, I was unaware of the VGC numbers problems... though you say shipped and not sold :p

no problem

in any case, GT4 sold much less, especially if you compare it to the install base, was it the promise of GT5 that reduced the sales?

it was a second one in the series and and close to GT3 in quality and also that times racers  had competition from the nFS underground  success

i dont think itll hit 10 million but flopping (lol) is not gonna be a issue. Though a nice slice of its fan bas has been taken by forza and such so it probably wont sell like the others.