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Myahon said:
They are jealous it's selling spectacular and is a lot more fun then a PS3.

Really?  Have you even played anything on the PS3?



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windbane said:
Myahon said:
They are jealous it's selling spectacular and is a lot more fun then a PS3.

Really?  Have you even played anything on the PS3?


I dont have to, the games may be "better" but not actually different. they follow the same blueprint as last gen games. Better graphics dont make games more fun.  Being a better game, and being more fun is actually different.  You ever hear anyone say, "its a really fun game" or "its a really good game." yea, there is a difference. for example, WarioWare for the Wii, is the most fun game ive ever played. Its simple, dumb fun. While on the other hand Zelda is one of the best games Ive played. It too is fun, but ill describe it as being really good. It has an in depth storyline, excellent gameplay, and is therfor fun, but mainly its the fact that its an amazing game that makes it fun. This might not make sense, but its true. I know what PS3 games are like, and guess what? Alot are just like the wii, only not so interactive. The interaction also makes the game fun. There is no game that focuses on "fun" more than warioware. its simple, and is just plain fun. Wii Sports is the same, its just simple, and not quite so dumb, fun.



A delayed game is good someday, a bad game is bad forever.

windbane said:
Myahon said:
They are jealous it's selling spectacular and is a lot more fun then a PS3.

Really?  Have you even played anything on the PS3?



Don't feed the trolls. We have already touched down on this fun thing, It's now widely accepted that FUN is different for each person and NO system has the right to claim to be more FUN than any other. In all fairness ALL 3 systems are FUN, as millions have had FUN playing them.

 

As for the 2 who responded to me, I am not ignoring you, I will respond to you.



Predicting the Future - 360 Will get to 11 Million in the USA this year!!

Predicting the Future - Wii will NOT win this gen in America!!


Prediciting the Future - The PS3 will pass the Wii by 2009!!

Don't feed the trolls. We have already touched down on this fun thing, It's now widely accepted that FUN is different for each person and NO system has the right to claim to be more FUN than any other. In all fairness ALL 3 systems are FUN, as millions have had FUN playing them.

 wow, that has to be the best post you ever had. its a good point, but i think my post on the description of fun, (which i think was not yet posted when you replyed) is the best way to make "fun" more solid than opinion.

 

 


 



A delayed game is good someday, a bad game is bad forever.

PS360N64PSXBOX said:
windbane said:
Myahon said:
They are jealous it's selling spectacular and is a lot more fun then a PS3.

Really? Have you even played anything on the PS3?



Don't feed the trolls. We have already touched down on this fun thing, It's now widely accepted that FUN is different for each person and NO system has the right to claim to be more FUN than any other. In all fairness ALL 3 systems are FUN, as millions have had FUN playing them.

 

As for the 2 who responded to me, I am not ignoring you, I will respond to you.


 looking forward too it, i was beginning to think 'jeez what's the point of doing it properly when u get ignored'



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OriGin said:
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
windbane said:
Myahon said:
They are jealous it's selling spectacular and is a lot more fun then a PS3.

Really? Have you even played anything on the PS3?



Don't feed the trolls. We have already touched down on this fun thing, It's now widely accepted that FUN is different for each person and NO system has the right to claim to be more FUN than any other. In all fairness ALL 3 systems are FUN, as millions have had FUN playing them.

 

As for the 2 who responded to me, I am not ignoring you, I will respond to you.


 looking forward too it, i was beginning to think 'jeez what's the point of doing it properly when u get ignored'


 

I'm not ignoring you, I am just busy. Gotta get paid somehow right?



Predicting the Future - 360 Will get to 11 Million in the USA this year!!

Predicting the Future - Wii will NOT win this gen in America!!


Prediciting the Future - The PS3 will pass the Wii by 2009!!

Who ruined my thread? And there's no need to get all defensive on the subject matter. No one and I mean no one will all like the same thing. It keeps competition alive. You can like your PS3 & XBox 360 but all this thread is talking about is why people seem to be threatened that the Wii exists as if it's the Borg coming to turn us into Locutus or something. John Lucas



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OriGin said:
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
windbane said:
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
windbane said:
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
vanguardian1 said:

PS360N64PSXBOX, your attitude and statements could be improved as well, you're not standing on any higher ground right now.

 

And btw, to be fair, there are also many gamers not happy with the paths that Sony and Microsoft have taken as well. There's nothing wrong with anyone's opinion, it's when we try to force our opinions on others that causes problems.

 

Do unto others as you would want done to yourself, both in real life and online.


 

1) Again, nobody proves this.

2) I am aware, I just happen not to be one of them.

3) What is the point of this?


The point is that you are too defensive and quick to claim you are the only one that is right. Oh, and I have a PS3 but I'm getting a Wii. There are games I'd like to play for both, and I'm not threatened by the Wii because I know that it's just expanding the market, not shrinking it. "Hardcore" games will remain, so everyone chill out.


Well, Maybe if people would stop attacking me and try to state their views and disprove my statements..Maybe I wouldn't be so quick to claim I am right? So far nobody had given a reason to believe that I am wrong...If I am indeed wrong it should be easy to prove right?

 

Nobody is goin pay any attention to you saying chill out. Seriously, in all the forums I have been at those comments get ignored about 99.5% of the time.


You may be right about some things, but you know what never does any good? Insulting people. Sure, no one is going to pay attention to me saying calm down, but it's not like you are going to convince anyone by insulting people. You aren't right about everything, either. The Wii can do some things the PS3 can't and that is get more people to play consoles that weren't already. If Sony dragged along the same people that played PS1 and PS2 they would be successful, but half of those people are probably also going to get a Wii because it's different and for some games the controls will be better. Double analog is not the best for all games. I hate to break that to you.


 

1) Like I was attacked?

2) I really haven't attacked or insulted as much as you claim

3) Not right? Like about what?

4) Is that so? How can you claim these people never played before? Have you polled them? The Wii can't match the PS3's graphics, speed, online..Not to mention the PS3 has MD so if Sony wanted to they could make the PS3 do anything the Wii can. So no, there is nothing the Wii can do the PS3 can't. To match the Wii's MD powers all sony needs is a different controller as the PS3 can already detect MD.

5) Half of those people? Grabbing at straws here. And the controls are up to the person, I doubt the big N will get half of Sony's market. They are not even trying to.

6) Nice try slick. Where did I say that? Ooooohhhh, Thats right...I didn't.....Hmmmm. But I love to break it to you, but MD isn't best for all game either....

 

FYI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixaxis#SIXAXIS

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/740/740746p1.html

 

Learn about the sixaxis controller. There is more to than teh dual analog.


1) There have been lots of attacks going on in this thread, i'm not going to dig them up lets just let it slide.

2) Agreed

3) You want some proper refuting of arguments then see below -

4) Firstly, why can't the Wii match PS3's online? What have you seen to say that it can't and wont?

Secondly, the Wii CAN do things the PS3 can't.  Number One thing is the pointer, PS3 cannot put a pointer on the screen, and that is something the Wii has and only the Wii has, yeah?  Secondly, although both the SIXAXIS and Wii Remote have motion detection they are fundamentally different.  The SIXAXIS motion is quite frankly a 'tacked on' feature.  Motion detection like it is in the SIXAXIS has been around and available for a LONG time, the reason the Wii is different and why the PS3 can't do games like the Wii is because the controlled is so fundamentally different.  How you ask? Because they completely changed the way that people use it.  Can you imagine trying to play Wii Sports tennis with a SIXAXIS? Sure, you probably could but who wants to hold a banana shaped tennis raquet? 

This is where the ultimate difference lies, simply in the funamental way that humans interface with the technology.  If Sony were to release a 'Remote' like device that functioned in very much the same way as the Wii Remote it would not be at all in the same class as the Wii Remote.  The Wii Remote is REQUIRED for all Wii functionality with the option of normal controller use also, Nintendo COULD have released the Wii Remote as an upgrade to the GameCube, but they decided it was a better idea to re-release the GameCube with a different name and new fundamental differences.

That's all I have to say on that, please don't take it as bashing you, I'm not I'm just refuting your arguments.  

And one opinion towards your current 'stance' on the consoles.  Making a 'pledge' not to buy something because it's the 'weakest' is pretty rediculous, and if your motivation behind this is because the PS2 had long load times and was the weakest console then I think your motivation for making this 'pledge' against the Wii is all wrong. 

Personally dispite the physical power of the hardware in the PS2 i still think that was the 'strongest' console... take that as you will. 

 

1) There have been lots of attacks going on in this thread, i'm not going to dig them up lets just let it slide.

I'd rather they not started.

2) Agreed

See.

3) You want some proper refuting of arguments then see below -

See my responses

4) Firstly, why can't the Wii match PS3's online? What have you seen to say that it can't and wont?

Right now it hasn't. It lacks enough memory to store it and I have seen PSHome.

Secondly, the Wii CAN do things the PS3 can't.  Number One thing is the pointer, PS3 cannot put a pointer on the screen, and that is something the Wii has and only the Wii has, yeah?  Secondly, although both the SIXAXIS and Wii Remote have motion detection they are fundamentally different.  The SIXAXIS motion is quite frankly a 'tacked on' feature.  Motion detection like it is in the SIXAXIS has been around and available for a LONG time, the reason the Wii is different and why the PS3 can't do games like the Wii is because the controlled is so fundamentally different.  How you ask? Because they completely changed the way that people use it.  Can you imagine trying to play Wii Sports tennis with a SIXAXIS? Sure, you probably could but who wants to hold a banana shaped tennis raquet?

 

Why is a pointer important? But I won't contest you on the Wiimote, the sixaxis can only do the driving games and no more. So you may have won here.

This is where the ultimate difference lies, simply in the funamental way that humans interface with the technology.  If Sony were to release a 'Remote' like device that functioned in very much the same way as the Wii Remote it would not be at all in the same class as the Wii Remote.  The Wii Remote is REQUIRED for all Wii functionality with the option of normal controller use also, Nintendo COULD have released the Wii Remote as an upgrade to the GameCube, but they decided it was a better idea to re-release the GameCube with a different name and new fundamental differences.

And why couldn't it be used the same way?  What would prevent it? The PS3 can do MD and there is nothing stopping it from doing that. The games matter here and sony could do it, but they won't because mainly to try and be different and do it in a way that is better and more unique. And the Wii is not a rehashed GC, the Wii is about twice as powerful as the GC and if Nintendo could have used it as an upgrade why not Sony?

 

That's all I have to say on that, please don't take it as bashing you, I'm not I'm just refuting your arguments.

 

I didn't. You did what I have asked for a bazillion times.  

And one opinion towards your current 'stance' on the consoles.  Making a 'pledge' not to buy something because it's the 'weakest' is pretty rediculous, and if your motivation behind this is because the PS2 had long load times and was the weakest console then I think your motivation for making this 'pledge' against the Wii is all wrong.

 I personally got sick of the PS2...static..slow loading  times...Yuck. But the main reason I hate the Wii is because they didn't up the power enough to make a big enough difference in the games and I despise the MD function. The MD is my main point of hatred, I can't stand it and don't think it has any real benefit for most games.

Personally dispite the physical power of the hardware in the PS2 i still think that was the 'strongest' console... take that as you will.

 

In games yes, But if you compare the ones the PS2 had that were on the GC and Xbox it just got hammered. RE4 was about 50 times better on GC and all games I played on PS2 and XB not only looked but played better. I still remember all star baseball...On the PS2 it stalled out and the screens were full of static, on the XB the screen was clear and it moved almost flawlessly between scenes. But that reminds me. play the elder scrolls on XB was a pain, when too many people got on screen during a fight the system would lag and freeze everytime..Since the Wii isn't much faster it really made me take a double check on if this was good or not. That and I have hear horror stories of the Wiimote dying and not responding to the motions well....which brought bakc PowerGlove nightmares.

 

 



Predicting the Future - 360 Will get to 11 Million in the USA this year!!

Predicting the Future - Wii will NOT win this gen in America!!


Prediciting the Future - The PS3 will pass the Wii by 2009!!

 

Ugg... quoting with this new forum gets ugly :S

Right now it hasn't. It lacks enough memory to store it and I have seen PSHome.

Lacks enough memory for what exactly? I don't think the console's power has any bearing on the ability of the online system / games for any of the platforms.

Why is a pointer important? But I won't contest you on the Wiimote, the sixaxis can only do the driving games and no more. So you may have won here.


You used to be a Nintendo fan yes? Have you played much of the Wii?? If you're a Nintendo fan you should be avid on Zelda games... I would assume, but maybe not but having the pointer in that game for shooting arrows any anything else pointer revolving was brilliant. I didn't like to shake the remote to swing the sword, I would have rathered to press a button for this, but it's slightly more immersive. RE4 is going to be BRILLIANT with the remote, I HATED aiming with the analogue stick. It's basically a FPS / shooter wet dream if they can get it right.

And why couldn't it be used the same way? What would prevent it? The PS3 can do MD and there is nothing stopping it from doing that. The games matter here and sony could do it, but they won't because mainly to try and be different and do it in a way that is better and more unique. And the Wii is not a rehashed GC, the Wii is about twice as powerful as the GC and if Nintendo could have used it as an upgrade why not Sony?

Wii being twice as powerful as GC is touted quite often, and you know what I suppose in some areas it has potential to be twice as powerful, but honestly it's GC architecture with the bottlenecks upgraded to help developers make things easier without having to do so much optimisation. You're not going to see graphics 2x as good as the GC on the Wii. It's more just the ability for new pretty effects and so on. I personally wish they had have added HDR lighting support.

They could have but they didn't, it wouldn't have been sucessful, it would have been a complete failure as an add on for the GC. Sony wouldn't do it either, it might be a one by one game sort of thing, but again it's about the fundamental difference that that console offers because of this. It's about differentiating themselves from the competition. It doesn't necessarily make all games better, but it certainly makes some... DBZ and Godfather are two examples for me.

Personally I fuggin HATE playing games with motion steering like in NFS Carbon, Sonic, and Excite Truck, I hate this sort of game on the Wii, I wish they gave me the option of Classic Conroller controllers honestly, so I will never buy games like this. FORCED MD for non MD concept games is LAME imho.

I personally got sick of the PS2...static..slow loading times...Yuck. But the main reason I hate the Wii is because they didn't up the power enough to make a big enough difference in the games and I despise the MD function. The MD is my main point of hatred, I can't stand it and don't think it has any real benefit for most games.

I think you should actually give the Wii a bit of a chance, is it the Sonic / Excite Truck style MD hatred or is it something else? What about MD do you hate so much? Nothing wrong with disliking it I just want to understand.

In games yes, But if you compare the ones the PS2 had that were on the GC and Xbox it just got hammered. RE4 was about 50 times better on GC and all games I played on PS2 and XB not only looked but played better. I still remember all star baseball...On the PS2 it stalled out and the screens were full of static, on the XB the screen was clear and it moved almost flawlessly between scenes. But that reminds me. play the elder scrolls on XB was a pain, when too many people got on screen during a fight the system would lag and freeze everytime..Since the Wii isn't much faster it really made me take a double check on if this was good or not. That and I have hear horror stories of the Wiimote dying and not responding to the motions well....which brought bakc PowerGlove nightmares.

Yup, but it's not about exacting motions it's about adding an extra 'layer' to the controls, DBZ and Godfather do this perfectly and they are FAR more fun to play because of this.

I'll leave it at that for this post.



I hate quote pyramids....GRRRRRRR!! 1) I'll look it up and get back to you. I had the info but lost it. 2) I used to be a Nintendo until last gen...I have enough to know I hate the Wii. I played Zelda Twilight Princess on the GC, but not on the Wii. Looks hard and I don't like swinging it. Also RE4 was hard enought the first time. 3) It mainly has twice the memory and a faster CPU and GPU, it can do things the GC could not. A simple fact. I know what an act of desperation is, but it will not improve the games I like. How could it make GTA any better? 4) Why should I? And how in the hell could I without buying it? I don't like MD, it looks hard at points, some thing like juking in Madden and Passing are now done with motions that are added moves...and wrestling games? I don't see any reason to play it, 5) Never played those two games or without MD to judge. If they wanted to add an layer they should have kept the other...Instead of dumping it.



Predicting the Future - 360 Will get to 11 Million in the USA this year!!

Predicting the Future - Wii will NOT win this gen in America!!


Prediciting the Future - The PS3 will pass the Wii by 2009!!