I only care about a Jewish state of Israel. Never again Jews under Arab rule.

What are you talking about? I mentioned historical facts, then a very positive future for both parties. On top of that, I'm not Arab so I don't understand how my view is "how Arabs view Israel".

Not to mention, why do Jews have the only say on the status of Jerusalem? The Dome of the Rock has stood longer than both temples combined. As far as I can tell, Muslims should have the biggest vote or better yet, return Jerusalem's status as a shared place as it existed for hundreds of years after the last crusade ended and before WWI.

huh?

1. It wouldn't be under Arab rule as its a democracy and Jews would have just as much power if not more.

2. Read history again, the best parts of Jews history were under Muslim (Arab) rule.

Israel is here to stay, it's a settler state in the truest of colonial fashion, the Arab/Islamic world should have full diplomatic relations with it, Israel should give back all the occupied territories and compensate all dispossesd Palestinians and Palestinians should give up the right of return to Israeli territory and accept a fair and just compensation package. East Jerusalem should be Palestianian and the rest Israel could have. Better still it should revert to an international city status.

That is a woefully naive view to take.  Everyone has a bias, but I would wager yours is far stronger than mine.  I have no love for an enormous amount of the things Israel does.  But re-read what you just posted.  You believe that against the will of their own people (a will they themselves stoked), dictatorial monarchs will agree too and then ENFORCE a peace that would risk their own perceived legitimacy?

Furthermore, you believe that a comprehensive and effectively stabilizing peace deal wouldn't have to either involve or substantially incapacitate Iran?  There was a big war, like it or not, Israel won it.  I may not be a fan of Israel's foreign policy, but I can recognize when a large number of nations is ganging up because it wants to have it's cake and eat it too.  I believe that Israel SHOULD give back that land, all of it, especially the Golan Heights to help sway Syria towards peace and away from Iran.  But for them to give up all of that strategic land without FUNDAMENTAL change from the other nations, not just a piece of paper, would be stupidity on their part.

That's another point I forgot to make Superchunk.  To the best of my knowledge, the Palestinian case is the ONLY case on the planet where the UN considers second, third and even FOURTH generation familes "refugees," a frankly ridiculous assessment to make.  One of my best friends is an Australian Iraqi.  She and her family were refugees that came here when she was young.  She could be classed as a refugee (although she no longer considers herself to be one).  When she has children in a few years, they will not be classed as such.

It is a recognition SOLELY designed to remove Israel's Jewish identity.  Propose removing the Islamic identity of Saudi Arabia, see how that goes down.

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Your arguments are fundamentally flawed in a few areas. For one you assume the dictatorial monarchs in power (with tactic support from the West especially the US) would never do anything to upset their population. Dictators are in power not because of the will of the people. The will of the people in the region has been for centuries determined not by themselves but by outside influence and the puppet regimes in power which recieve crucial support from other powerful states to stay in power. 

In the past a colonial power may hope for a problem to go away in they keep the way things are long enough. Problem is we are no longer living in the 19th century. Israel is a colonial settler state which came into being quite undemocratically. It's easy to hope for the Palestinians to give up hope for a return to their homes or a just compensation from a racist, arrogant and imperialist point of view but nowadays we are thankfully much more civilised and don't let countries go unanswered for their actions as more than ever we as a world see it from the point of view of the victims of injustice who are usually weak and oppressed. And why support Israel as a Jewish state? Why bring in vile Islamic/Absolute Monarch regime like Saudi Arabia as an example? Why not say Norway which is a secular liberal democracy with one of the best living standards in the world?

Like I said before Iran and Syria have both said they will support whatever the Palestianians want and in Syria's case they want the GH back. That is their official foreign policy and not calling for the destruction of Israel regardless of Palestinian wishes as many seem to believe. Iran has offered to normalise relations with Israel if they withdraw to the pre 1967 borders but this was rejected as were most peace overtures by the Arab World. The only crime Iran is commiting is the crime of independance. The US hates countries that show independence. Hence they get demonised especially if they are much weaker and oil rich.

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I don't assume for a moment that a dictatorship will never do anything in opposition to the will of it's people.  Indeed, to frame that argument as a rebuttal is extraordinarily narrow.  Because, just as dictatorships, be definition, do not act with the will of the people, they equally crave legitimacy, as can be seen in ANY currently existing dictatorship or non-democratic theocracy.  Iran constantly vilifying Israel and making much of their nuclear program, a process that INCREASED after the illegitimate elections.  Burma holding ridiculously fake elections but not allowing the key opposition figure to run, and North Korea building a cult around it's successive leaders.

Having spent DECADES vilifying Israel to it's people, to turn around and appear to 'submit' to peace on anything other than paper is simply not something that will be done.

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I will give you that Israel shouldn't necessarily be guarenteed Jewish statehood.  At the same time, people who are third and fourth generation (and in my opinion, even second generation) simply are not refugees, and are not entitled to land that was never theirs.  Just as Israeli's today are (in the vast majority at least) entirely disconnected from the actions that brought about their country's existence.  Telling them to give back land that has been theirs their entire lives would be like asking me, a tenth generation white Australian, to give my home to an Aborigine who's great-great grandfather was wronged by white people sixty years back.

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Whilst at SOME points in the past Syria has certainly been less friendly than Iran, I would LOVE for you to point me to where Iran said that it would accept Israel and it's people if Israel withdrew to pre-1967 borders without any other conditions.

Just a year or so back the Iranian Foreign Minister was censured by Parliament for saying that Iran's beef was only with the Israeli Government and not it's people.

I think you need to relook at history, I'm not being biased. Egypt unilaterally forced peace between themselves and Israel. Israel wasn't even prepared when Sadat flew into Tel Aviv. Granted it cost him his life eventually as some other radical in Egypt killed him, but the peace agreement remained.

All Arabs status, except I think Libya, agreed to this doctorine. It would have given 100% normal relations with everyone of these nations. That means full trade, normal movement, diplomatic exchange, etc. It was by far the closest thing to ever being a complete squash of the entire issue. Israel didn't even consider it.

Syria also tried the same deal later in regards to just Golan Heights and Barak couldn't agree to all of it; it broken down over a few meters of distance. Pretty stupid really.

The dictators in all of those regions could have accepted that peace agreement they put forth a lot easier than Israel's government; meaning without any change to the original offer. Had Israel went to the Arab League (as requested) they could have negotiated out the right of return (rightfully so as I agree with your children of refugees comment mostly) and probably the biggest ISraeli settler camps.

I'm sure Israel knew this. However, they don't want peace, they want land and especially Jerusalem. THey want to keep stealing land and expanding the settlements to force a complete impossibility of Jerusalem ever being split between two nations as well as create enough other facts on the ground to make the % of land that is left for Palestinians far too small for any potential nation.

The regime in Iran came into being after the overthrow of the muderous Western backed Shah and after that the elimination and marginalisation of political opponents that were not Shia Islamic Revolutionaries. Israel didn't come into play until fairly recently once Iraq had been conquered and Iran became the main boogey man. The elections in Iran were almost certainly flawed. For one in every election since the revolution the candidates are vetted and this usually results in many being barred from standing. This is nothing new. There has yet to be a detailed study on the letimacy of the 2009 election results. What is certain is there were significant foreign involvement in trying to destabilise the country via covert means. As for Iran's nuclear program that's again something the US has blown out of all proportions, it's not Iran that keeps bringing it to the worlds attention. And Ahmadenijad is not Iran. He may bring Israel up from time to time but the main powerhouse in Iran is the Supreme Leader Ayatollah.

The fact is the Arab peace initiative was and still is on the table. There is no point having hypothetical debates about whether the population will accept it or not, it's not like they have a say in most matters anyway. There are many US bases dotted around the Gulf, I'm sure if they had a say they woukd like them to leave. The Egyptian and Jordian population (with it's large Palestinian refugees) didn't revolt after peace with Isreal. Israel simply rejected the Arab Peace Initiative with crucial US support. As it has rejected most peace overtures since it's foundation because peace means giving up occupied land it doesn't want to give up.

Oh and Iran DEFINATELY offered to normalise relations with the US and Israel back in 2003. Google it. Just as Egypt did in 1971-72 (which was rejected and led to the 1973 war). And Ahmadenijad reiterated Iran's position in that it will support whatever the Palestinians want.