Slimebeast said:
superchunk said:
starcraft said:
superchunk said:
According to international laws of war no land an be taken by war and therefore all of these territories are by definition, occupied regions that should have been returned years ago. I can understand why they weren't originally, but this is 40 years after the fact and the conditions today are drastically different. Isreal could offer a full retreat and get full peace, but they simply don't want to give up the land due to their own extreamist views.
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Israel does have a great many extremist views. But it is naive to think that retreating to their pre 1967 borders would give them peace. There are at least two nations (Syria and ESPECIALLY Iran) who have focused most of their foreign policy and internal legitimacy on the ultimate defeat of Israel and their American supporters.
I think there are a lot of people in the Middle East that would think better of Israel if they withdrew, but a large number would simply see a weakened state with strategically weaker borders to attack.
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Actually quite a few years ago all Arab countries put out a unified agreement that if Israel returned to the Green Line and allowed refugees back to their homes there would be full normalized peace in all categories. Israel refused.
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Arabs know that if refugees and their children are allowed back to Israel then Israel as a Jewish state will cease to exist. Thus mission accomplished.
So that's not a peace deal. The Arab nations could have offered it in 1948 but it's far too late to come with such utterly stupid propositions now.
Back to Green Line yes, refugees and their children no. That's the terms today.
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That's another point I forgot to make Superchunk. To the best of my knowledge, the Palestinian case is the ONLY case on the planet where the UN considers second, third and even FOURTH generation familes "refugees," a frankly ridiculous assessment to make. One of my best friends is an Australian Iraqi. She and her family were refugees that came here when she was young. She could be classed as a refugee (although she no longer considers herself to be one). When she has children in a few years, they will not be classed as such.
It is a recognition SOLELY designed to remove Israel's Jewish identity. Propose removing the Islamic identity of Saudi Arabia, see how that goes down.
