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Slimebeast said:
superchunk said:
 

Before the creation of Israel, European Jews had legally purchased land from Arab owners. This amounted to about at most 40% of the land given to them by the UN. (I'd have to get my books to recount the exact %)

On top of that, before WWI, the Zionist movement itself hadn't even decided where the homeland should be. They discussed Philidelphia as well as many parts of Africa. They chose ancient Israel once European powers began to take control of the area from the Turks as they felt they could use racism, same reason they were looking at Africa, to push their ways. On top of that the Arabs were farmers, had no militaries, no formal training whereas the Jews had European arms and were mostly in European armes. They knew they had race and might on their side.

So, should Jews have a homeland? They already had homes. They were already legally purchasing land. The only reason this became a UN issue is because they were mostly European and Europe didn't want them and Britian was getting sick of trying to control the Irgun and Stern Gang (Jewish terrorist groups, first in the region). They decided that would not be able to remove the Jews at this piont.

Britian fucked up royally in its mandate. Just as it did everywhere else it had power. They promised during WWII that any area with an Arab majority would be given to full Arab control after the war if they helped against the Turks. That happenend in every area but Palestine. Then they failed to keep the illegal migration of Jews to Palestine. Then they failed to keep tons of military equipment from being smuggled in allowing the far more advanced European Jews access to far more advance weapons than the Arabs had.

But that is all history and irrevocable. This issue now is Israel exists and continues to dehumanize their Arab neighbors as well as allow constant terrorism to exist in the settler camps. For the last few decades, the majority of Arab nations have shown their favor for peace if there is a return to the green line (the pre1967 war lines). Israel has continuously refused this. While its true Arafat had a good negotation going, neither he nor Barak would have been capable of upholding that agreement as neither populace was prepped for such conditions.

Now you have the biggest anti-Arab political powers in Israel starting to talk about full annexation of WB and giving all those Arabs in there full citizenship. I personally like the idea as a divided Palestinian state in Gaza/WB woudl never work and in the long run this would get what the Arabs really want is a Jerusalem capital and eventual majority over the lands again. Even if its under a Star of David, its still freedom and far better than the inhuman treatment they currently live with.

I get so freaking angry about this.

Look this is how Arabs view Israel. And these people they should give half of Jerusalem to. No way.

What are you talking about? I mentioned historical facts, then a very positive future for both parties. On top of that, I'm not Arab so I don't understand how my view is "how Arabs view Israel".

Not to mention, why do Jews have the only say on the status of Jerusalem? The Dome of the Rock has stood longer than both temples combined. As far as I can tell, Muslims should have the biggest vote or better yet, return Jerusalem's status as a shared place as it existed for hundreds of years after the last crusade ended and before WWI.