Lebanon Attacks Israel

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superchunk said:

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superchunk said:

 

Actually quite a few years ago all Arab countries put out a unified agreement that if Israel returned to the Green Line and allowed refugees back to their homes there would be full normalized peace in all categories. Israel refused.

Yes, I remember. 

And how honest do you believe the agreement was?  At the end of the day, whatever most of these regimes say to the West, they still stoke enormous Israel hate within their own populations.  It's gotten to the point that they'd struggle to convince their own people to make peace.

And again, Iran is not Arab.

LOL you put down a self initiated, Arab brokered real deal that was in no way brought on by any western nation as somehow dishonest and for the West? Wow, that shows your biased. Also, who brought Iran into this? The Arab league doesn't even include Iran.

Plus, there is just as much hate in Israel towards the Arabs as there is the other way around. Difference is many of these Arab countries dont' rely on the people's votes, therefore if their monarchs make peace, they have no choice.

It was a sincere offer that has mirrored the voice of even the Palestinians for over a decade now, but Israel didn't even consider it because they want land more than they want peace.

That is a woefully naive view to take.  Everyone has a bias, but I would wager yours is far stronger than mine.  I have no love for an enormous amount of the things Israel does.  But re-read what you just posted.  You believe that against the will of their own people (a will they themselves stoked), dictatorial monarchs will agree too and then ENFORCE a peace that would risk their own perceived legitimacy?

Furthermore, you believe that a comprehensive and effectively stabilizing peace deal wouldn't have to either involve or substantially incapacitate Iran?  There was a big war, like it or not, Israel won it.  I may not be a fan of Israel's foreign policy, but I can recognize when a large number of nations is ganging up because it wants to have it's cake and eat it too.  I believe that Israel SHOULD give back that land, all of it, especially the Golan Heights to help sway Syria towards peace and away from Iran.  But for them to give up all of that strategic land without FUNDAMENTAL change from the other nations, not just a piece of paper, would be stupidity on their part.