It's tiresome to argue with you because you're on another planet. The politically correct fantasy world.

I do not agree with a single thing in your post but I'm just gonna comment on thing:  Somali pirates.

That comment shows how your bias distorts your view on reality. Like a typical Westerner you assume that only because it's a poor country in the developing world they're becoming pirates out of desperation and having no choice.

You ever even thought what type of people these pirates are? They're not exactly momma's boys or starving. They're thugs. It's organized crime. And this phenomenon occurs in Somalia because Somalia doesn't have a government or coastguard (among other factors souch as the highly criminal clan structures in the country, repeated civil wars, general moral corruption etc).

"the lucrative success of many hijacking operations have drawn a number of young men toward gangs of pirates, whose wealth and strength often make them part of the local social and economic elite. Abdi Farah Juha who lives in Garoowe (100 miles from the sea) told the BBC, "They have money; they have power and they are getting stronger by the day. [...] They wed the most beautiful girls; they are building big houses; they have new cars; new guns.""

"According to a BBC report, the pirates can be divided into three main categories:

• Local Somali fishermen, considered the brains of the pirates' operations due to their skill and knowledge of the sea. Most think that foreign boats have no rights to cruise next to the shore and destroy their boats.
• Ex-militiamen who used to fight for the local clan warlords, used as the muscle.
• Technical experts who operate equipment such as GPS devices.[18]"
  
  

"The funding of piracy operations is now structured in a stock exchange, with investors buying and selling shares in upcoming attacks in a bourse in Harardhere."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_in_Somalia

But no, poor pirates have no choice!

And "drug cartels of South America" being another byproduct of desperation. That's a huge insult towards honest poor people. Like nearly all socialists you have a very bad understanding of human nature.

"To say the character of an average American who owns a gun illegally is equivalent to the average American, is wrong.

 To say the character of the average Mexican who comes here illegally is equivalent to the average Mexican, is equally wrong."

This is your main argument. Here is why it's wrong:

1. Just because someone does something illegal does not mean we can suddenly judge their character, especially if that illegal act is to cross into our country's border. Nobody should judge another person's character until they actually meet that person and talk to them.

2. Comparing gun ownership to illegal immigration is a backwards comparison. These are basically remote controls that kill people. They make killing so easy, a child could do it (and they do!). There is reason to be concerned when somebody owns a weapon illegally. Immigrants, on the other hand, don't have the purpose of coming here to commit a crime. Some may do so because of the severe oppression they are put under, but that is not the intent. Most of them come here because Mexico sucks and they want a better life.

Slimebeast, you need to calm down, seriously. I mean I try to remain civil, I always try to be nice in debate, but that's not good enough for you. You can't stand people who have opposing views, to the point that you have to resort to childish name calling, calling me a "socialist", when I think it is blatantly obvious that I'm not. It seems as though today you can't support national health without being labelled a "Socialist", "Communist", "Nazi" or all of the above. It's not like I want to move to Laos or something, not even close. And you have the audacity to call me the insulting one?

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Anyway, you accuse me of having such a blinkered "westerner" view, when in the very source you gave said...

"A United Nations report suggests that piracy off of the coast of Somalia is caused by illegal fishing and the dumping of toxic waste in Somali waters by foreign vessels, practices which have severely constrained the ability of local fishermen to earn a living and forced many to turn to pirating instead."

Did you skip that out? And you tried to take your one quote so laughably out of context that I don't even know what to say, except for provide the beginning of the quote which makes your quote fit more in line with my viewpoint...

"Millions of Somalis depend on food aid and in 2008, according to the World Bank, as much as 73% of the population lived on a daily income below $2.These factors and the lucrative success of many hijacking operations have drawn a number of young men toward gangs of pirates."

Somalis require food aid just to eat! That is what I would call desperation. All your quote showed was that those Somalis who had resorted to crime seemed better off than the population, so it attracts more of the millions of impoverished people who need aid just to survive from day to day to join them to seek a better life, which is far more in line with my viewpoint than yours.

150,000  illegal aliens are Candaians are in the country right now.

Vs... about 5 million illegal mexicans.  Which just counts Mexico... not anywhere else in South America.

So... yeah.  It's got nothing to do with racism.

If the problem was huge in Canada... people in the north would be complaining for sure.

http://www.fairus.org/images/content/pagebuilder/68609.jpg

So what about the character of 'Legal' Americans that hire the dirt cheap labour of these 'illegals'? Most Mexicans are going to states that were once part of Mexico anyway and taken and annexed by force.

All you've done in this thread is call everyone who disagreed with you racists and give blatantly false information. (As in, proveably false, as has been proven false based on the immigration estimates.)

How else exactly do you expect to be treated?

When you stop trying to have arguements with strawman and actually provide accurate information... maybe you'll be treated better.   But when you act like a troll.  Expect to be treated as such.

You are free to assume whatever you want.  Though based on your debate style of blazing in throwing up strawmen insulting everyone and then being offended when people don't respect you...

It'd likely be only because you aren't actually capable of argueing the subject and it's easier to make assumptions rather then actually looking at any facts or trying to have a real defense for why people should be allowed to break the law.

Sorry but the math just does not support your argument.

We know the average size of the illegal community, and based on this, the number of murders per capita that come from this group is 300% more then the number of murders from legal immigrants.

How can you say that group of people are equal in character, yet murder 3 times as many people?

Let me put it another way. Let's say 20 people enter the country, and 14 are of perfect character, and 6 are murderers.

We only let 10 in legally, where we do background checks, and so forth. How do you think the breakdown is going to go? You think it's doing to be 7/3 legal, and 7/3 illegal? 

No, if we do a good job, and I think we do a fairly good job at this, we are going to let 10 of the 14 people of high character in legally, and the other 4 will cross illegally, and we will deny the 6 murders (well, they will never apply actually).

Now that says nothing about the 4 people that were of perfect character who wanted to get into this country but now had to sneak across (the only people you're considering). Yes, they are good people.

But in this scenario they are only 40% of the people entering the border illegally. The other are the ones we need to stop. No one seems to care to stop them who are on your side of the argument.