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Forums - General - If you think illegals are good people, you're a rasist.

Yea, I titled it for shock value, but here is my point.

Mexicans are a people, and like all people, there are good ones and there are bad ones. Millions of great mexicans enter this country, but most do it legally.

If your entering this country illegally, your breaking a law to get here. Millions of mexicans don't come here illegally, because they want to be law abiding citizens.

To look at an illegal alien, and equate them to an average Mexican, and to have the same values as all mexicans, is just woefully inaccurate.

Here is an example of what I mean. In the US, we have millions of people who own guns. Some of them own them legally, and some of them own them illegally. Do you think the quality of individual in each group is equal?

No. To say the character of an average American who owns a gun illegally is equivalent to the average American, is wrong.

 

To say the character of the average Mexican who comes here illegally is equivalent to the average Mexican, is equally wrong.



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To clear up my point. Last year Arizona rounded up 250,000 mexicans. Of those, 17% already had criminal records. That's almost 1 in 5.

Do you think 1 in 5 mexicans are criminals? I sure don't.

If an Iranian entered our country illegally, would you think this person was of equal character as a typical iranian?

If not, why do you think a Mexican who enters out country is? Yes, there are many Mexicans who enter our country just to work and provide for there families. But the number of illegal aliens who are entering our country for illegal means is considerably higher then average.

To ignore that because they are mexican, is to be basing a judgment based on race. Thus, racist.



TheRealMafoo said:

To clear up my point. Last year Arizona rounded up 250,000 mexicans. Of those, 17% already had criminal records. That's almost 1 in 5.

Do you think 1 in 5 mexicans are criminals? I sure don't.

If an Iranian entered our country illegally, would you think this person was of equal character as a typical iranian?

If not, why do you think a Mexican who enters out country is? Yes, there are many Mexicans who enter our country just to work and provide for there families. But the number of illegal aliens who are entering our country for illegal means is considerably higher then average.

To ignore that because they are mexican, is to be basing a judgment based on race. Thus, racist.


To be fair, entering the country illegally does make it harder to get a job then legally meaning it's more likely you'd have to enter a life of crime.  So the numbers may be scewed because of this. 

Although additionally to be fair to your point... there are a lot more people who want to be in the US who don't come illegally and try and wait and do things the legal way. 

So there is a difference between those who come here legally and illegally.

The reason so few people can come in legally has a lot to do with linejumpers coming in illegally afterally. 

In an overall group sense you could say once group was more moral then the other, of course when it comes down to the individual, that of course would be much more troublesome.



Well, that is a broad generalization.  First of all, crossing the border without a visa is in fact an illegal act.. So is speeding...The point is not all illegal acts equate to a moral wrong.  Most "illegals" com over out of dire economic need, thus I would say there is hardly any moral wrong.

Second, do you have any idea how hard it is for a poor Mexican person to be able to enter into the US Legally?  I'll answer that...it is practically impossible.  Those who are able to get here legally are usually high-middle class persons who were able to obtain a tourist visa but overstayed.

Third, the statistics you mentioned are bias.  Since Arizona can only "round up illegal aliens" when they are arrested over a state violation then of course a higher percentage of those will have a prior criminal record of some sort.  Now, "criminal record" just means that you commited some type of offense..the most typical one is driving without a license, driving under the influence, and disturbance of the peace.



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Kasz216 said:


To be fair, entering the country illegally does make it harder to get a job then legally meaning it's more likely you'd have to enter a life of crime.  


Entering the country illegally is entering a life of crime. You first have to be ok with committing a crime against the US government before you even step into the country.

Most Mexicans are upstanding people, and don't wish to do that. The ones that are ok with it, is the pool your pulling from when you talk about illegal immigration.



venepe said:

Well, that is a broad generalization.  First of all, crossing the border without a visa is in fact an illegal act.. So is speeding...The point is not all illegal acts equate to a moral wrong.  Most "illegals" com over out of dire economic need, thus I would say there is hardly any moral wrong.

Second, do you have any idea how hard it is for a poor Mexican person to be able to enter into the US Legally?  I'll answer that...it is practically impossible.  Those who are able to get here legally are usually high-middle class persons who were able to obtain a tourist visa but overstayed.

Third, the statistics you mentioned are bias.  Since Arizona can only "round up illegal aliens" when they are arrested over a state violation then of course a higher percentage of those will have a prior criminal record of some sort.  Now, "criminal record" just means that you commited some type of offense..the most typical one is driving without a license, driving under the influence, and disturbance of the peace.


Answer me this please....

If I had my own country somewhere, and there were only two ways to get here. One was the way I required. Wait in a line to get on a bus, fill out some paperwork, and ride 12 hours in an un-airconditioned bus with 40 other people. The other way was to steal a car.

Everyone who didn't take the bus, is a car thief. Before I even got a chance to hire them, they had to have the disposition that committing a crime for there own needs was ok. You think if I hired the equal amount of people from each pool, I would get the equal quality of employee? 



Dah, my Grandma is Mexican and she is great!



chocoloco said:
Dah, my Grandma is Mexican and she is great!


Most Mexicans are. Most Mexicans don't sneak into other countries.



I agree.

The only exception I make is for people that are fleeing a country because of political upheavel etc. Sometimes you don't have a choice and you need to leave right away and the right channels may simply be too slow or you don't have the money. I have a mate that fled Vietnam because of the communist regime and they were getting shot at whilst fleeing I believe. And according to him the government actually set up some of the people smuggling operations so that they could have all of the rotten eggs in one basket and take care of them.