unknown_soul89 said:
Took 5 years for them to fix the cooling system on the 360, I wouldn't hold my breath |
Actually it was taken care of by the time the Falcon Chipset came out maybe sooner. I think that was in 2007.
"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."
Quote by- The Imortal John Wayne, the original BADASS!
| Metallicube said: Casual consumers are not idiots, just because they don't play games often. They can tell when something doesn't work the way it should. |
They don't know how it "should" work, and the main thing they care about is if the game is fun. Did the first casual to play Wii sports complain because his bowling spin wasn't recreated 1:1, or was he amazed that technology could even pull off what s/he was experiencing? Does the Wii-Mote work the way it "should?" Who are you to say? Who am I? Fact is, the casual audience is much less sensative to the things that we choose to obsess over. I never meant to insult them, just to generalize them, as we so often do, because they are underrepresented. However, in developing a strategy based on the Wii-Mote's success, I guarntee you MS generalized them as well, and they probably did so in just the manner I described. That said, if they did follow that belief, it won't lead them astray. The casual audience obviouly dosn't value precision controlling and graphics in gaming nearly as much as say, a Playstation 3 fan would. The games they are most interested in, would actually be less accessable by increasing that precision, and thus less fun to a casual. You see how there is a conflict between what the casual and the core gamer look for in their software? Accessability vs depth. Wouldn't you agree?
I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.
NO NO, NO NO NO.
| Machina said: I completely agree with most of what was said in the OP. It doesn't need to be accurate to inspire the imaginations of the main audience they're appealing to - as long as the actions you perform in real life are displayed with some degree of accuracy in the game then that audience will probably be satisfied. Wii Sports Tennis is a good example of this in my mind. You don't need to stand up and fling your arm around like you would with a real tennis racket to play the game; you can get the same results sitting down making minor flicks of your wrist. It doesn't matter to that audience - they probably didn't even notice. But the advertising inspired their imaginations, and the real thing measured up, despite the fact that for me the illusion was pretty much shattered once I'd worked out how to 'cheat' like that. I think Kinect has the potential to be the same - the advertising and mainstream hype could really create a buzz for the thing and, despite its apparent deficiencies to us, as long as it isn't broken then it could be a big hit. |
Very well said, I could have used that when I was typing up the OP, lol.
I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.
NO NO, NO NO NO.
damndl0ser said:
Actually it was taken care of by the time the Falcon Chipset came out maybe sooner. I think that was in 2007. |
If falcon fixed the problem why did they come out with the jasper, because it didn't, it made the problem less frequent by some marginal amount but it didn't fix it, and the jasper didn't fix it either, it was as bad but it was still unacceptably high, the thing is by the time the jasper came out the warranty was out for awhile and everyone was used to their 360s failing so jaspers that failed didn't exactly get alot of attention, so no the falcon model didn't fix the problem, MS just pretended it did, like they pretended the jasper did, like they pretended the only reason there were problems were because of launch issues and it's not the model like they pretended they were within industry standards, you have to stop believing things MS says
| zgamer5 said: as long as kinect is fun casuals wont care. for hardcore ones probably, it depends on the personality of the person. |
Problem with that is the causal already has a wii, they aren't going to go out of their way for kinect, the only people that are going to buy this are the ones that buy into MS advertisement and hype thats it, casuals who just want fun already have the wii and aren't going to buy kinect, the hardware is too crappy for a decently controlled seriously game (even wii has those)
unknown_soul89 said:
If falcon fixed the problem why did they come out with the jasper, because it didn't, it made the problem less frequent by some marginal amount but it didn't fix it, and the jasper didn't fix it either, it was as bad but it was still unacceptably high, the thing is by the time the jasper came out the warranty was out for awhile and everyone was used to their 360s failing so jaspers that failed didn't exactly get alot of attention, so no the falcon model didn't fix the problem, MS just pretended it did, like they pretended the jasper did, like they pretended the only reason there were problems were because of launch issues and it's not the model like they pretended they were within industry standards, you have to stop believing things MS says |
Since you obviously know everything, please show me some statistics. Thanks in advance....
"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."
Quote by- The Imortal John Wayne, the original BADASS!
damndl0ser said:
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2010 study http://www.nofussreviews.com/survey-results-2010.php
puts 360 failrate at 42% overall, and ps3s at 8%, the margin for error for this type of study would be about 5% (look up what makes these accurate or inaccurate if you don't believe me, and that 5% goes both ways not just the way you want it to) if the falcon model fixed the problem like you claimed then the overall failrate would have been lower
Geez.. did Microsoft kill unknown_soul89's family? So much hate.. >_<"
Face the future.. Gamecenter ID: nikkom_nl (oh no he didn't!!)
It will sell, MS is doing a great job marketing Kinect and Dance Central is a Killer app.
unknown_soul89 said:
2010 study http://www.nofussreviews.com/survey-results-2010.php puts 360 failrate at 42% overall, and ps3s at 8%, the margin for error for this type of study would be about 5% (look up what makes these accurate or inaccurate if you don't believe me, and that 5% goes both ways not just the way you want it to) if the falcon model fixed the problem like you claimed then the overall failrate would have been lower |
An online poll isn't exactly proof.
1) This did not break down the percentage of launch model 360's vs. Falcon and Jasper etc...
Surely you could do better when someone puts you on the spot. I would have at least looked harder or not responded, instead of looking foolish....
"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."
Quote by- The Imortal John Wayne, the original BADASS!
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