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ethomaz on 02 August 2010

For those who believe in overshipping... wait the next quarter and the difference increased to 3 million or more... but it's ok even undertracked the PS3 might get there sooner or later.



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Kynes on 02 August 2010
kowenicki said:
ioi said:

50-100k in Australia isn't going to make a massive difference but there may be a point in that we're obviously not counting the free PS3s that were given away in the Bravia deal (nor any other promotion in any other country).

As for Sony counting a sale when the receive an order rather than when units leave the door - I'm not honestly sure whether this is the case or not but even if it was it shouldn't make that much of a difference - might account for 2-3 weeks of extra units I guess...

What matters to me is comparing apples to apples which is what we're doing - exactly the same techniques are used to put together our data for all consoles so if it works and lines up well for Nintendo and Microsoft then it should for Sony as well. If not, then the discrepancy / difference / alternative definition seems to be on their side not ours.

Very difficult to argue with this....

 


True, but sometimes is very tiresome to read the same things over and over again. Maybe if we could find the reason why Sony numbers seems a bit higher than they should be according to the trackers numbers, we could have less "Sony is undertracked" threads.



joeorc on 02 August 2010
unknown_soul89 said:
ivanpgcs said:
unknown_soul89 said:
ivanpgcs said:
TheSource said:

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SCE does business in 99 countries if you read its corporate press releases - shipping 10,000 PS3s or whatever it is to 50 little markets per quarter in addition to the big markets of Western Europe, Japan, North America, Australia, Brazil and South East Asia has a way of adding up, and I think thats why the figures for PS2, PSP, and PS3 suggest more stock on shelves than for Nintendo / Microsoft stuff. The main reason I have PS3 beating X360 is that Sony beats Microsoft in most of the little markets. 

And where are the sales of these new countries? Are they added to EMEAA? If they are added to EMEAA sales data seems a little low with so many countries.

Most of them aren't tracked at all 

 

therefore I think that it is necessary to increase the PS3 sales data. No sales data does not mean that sales do not exist.


I think that is the main problem with this site, they don't count everything just because emeaa says others doesn't mean they track everywhere else in the world, there are alot of places that aren't tracked properly or at all, and ps3 outsells the 360 in those areas 

current number of region's the system's are shipped too:

38 for sony world wide

37 for Nintendo world wide

24 for Microsoft world wide

now those region's can have more countries or be just one. but the fact that both Nintendo and Sony ship to more than Microsoft. for example:

the xbox360s is only shipping to:

5 region's right now

Xbox 360 S
June 18, 2010
July 1, 2010
July 8, 2010
July 16, 2010



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Kynes on 02 August 2010
ioi said:
Kynes said:
kowenicki said:

Very difficult to argue with this....

 


True, but sometimes is very tiresome to read the same things over and over again. Maybe if we could find the reason why Sony numbers seems a bit higher than they should be according to the trackers numbers, we could have less "Sony is undertracked" threads.


Well I certainly don't have an answer / reason for why I'm afraid. I just focus on doing the best job we can at putting our numbers together each week.

In all honesty, if we suddenly just decided to fudge all the numbers so that we had PS3 at 38m rather than 36m, would it really make that much difference to anyone? Would it change the situation significantly? Wouldn't you rather we were trying to be internally consistent and using the same methodology and basic scaling factors for all consoles than just (incorrectly and dishonestly) fudging things to keep people happy?

If you think it is tiresome, spare a thought for how we feel

I think I haven't explained myself properly. English is not my native language, and sometimes I don't express what I really want to mean. I don't have any problem with this site numbers, I think that they provide really useful info of the market trends and numbers, and I don't think there are big discrepancies with the real sold to end user numbers.I'm sure that a big proportion of the people who visit this site really appreciate your and the rest of the staff work, and it's only the people who use numbers as a weapon in system wars who complain every time the numbers don't correlate with what they want them to be.

 

What I want to mean is that it's very tiresome to see the same threads made by the same people every Sony financial report, and maybe, if we can find an explanation to those "missing" consoles, we would have a more peaceful community. Only that.



forest-spirit on 02 August 2010
ioi said:
Kynes said:
kowenicki said:

Very difficult to argue with this....

 


True, but sometimes is very tiresome to read the same things over and over again. Maybe if we could find the reason why Sony numbers seems a bit higher than they should be according to the trackers numbers, we could have less "Sony is undertracked" threads.


Well I certainly don't have an answer / reason for why I'm afraid. I just focus on doing the best job we can at putting our numbers together each week.

In all honesty, if we suddenly just decided to fudge all the numbers so that we had PS3 at 38m rather than 36m, would it really make that much difference to anyone? Would it change the situation significantly? Wouldn't you rather we were trying to be internally consistent and using the same methodology and basic scaling factors for all consoles than just (incorrectly and dishonestly) fudging things to keep people happy?

If you think it is tiresome, spare a thought for how we feel

Messing with the numbers only because they look strange would really make the site unreliable.



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ivanpgcs on 02 August 2010

ioi said:

Well I certainly don't have an answer / reason for why I'm afraid. I just focus on doing the best job we can at putting our numbers together each week.

...

And you do a very good job. That's why I get happy when on Thursday and Friday are the data of the week and lost so much time (too much) looking at the sales, preorders, etc ...



postofficebuddy on 02 August 2010
ioi said:

Has been discussed numerous times...

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3149828


Looking at this post makes me think of something. Looking at recent numbers for certain software, some things just aren't adding up. In that post Latin American PS3 sales are at about 600k, probably about 625k by now. It was recently revealed that GOW3 has sold 45k just in Brazil, I'm assuming that translates to about 80k-100k in the entirety of Latin America. That would mean that GOW3 has achieved an attach ratio that only the hugest of the huge releases manage. In addition to that PES 2010 sold 600k in Latin America. Now no breakdown was given for that but I would assume at least 100k-150k were on PS3 since it's the only platform without piracy. An even bigger attach ratio anomaly than GOW3. Now I'm not saying that Latin American sales are massively undertracked but I think it's safe to assume that they might be a few 100ks low. Another attach ratio anomaly, ironically also connected to GOW3, is Canada. GOW3's first shipment to Canada was 250k. I would assume that it's sold through that and then-some by now. If it's sold close to 300k in Canada that's a similar situation to it's Latin American attach ratio. Now in all likelihood this wouldn't amount to a whole lot, a few 100k. Nowhere near the rather ridiculous 1 million some people think it should be adjusted up by but it would explain some of the rather unusually large differential. Sony probably is stuffing the channel to some degree.



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shanbcn on 02 August 2010

The thing is if Sony overship one quarter then it have to ship less in next. But thats not what is happning and the gap is growing every quarter between VGZ sold and Sony shipped. While decreasing between MS 360 shipped and VGZ sold figures.



Kasz216 on 02 August 2010
unknown_soul89 said:
Kasz216 said:
unknown_soul89 said:
Kasz216 said:

I don't get why anybody is treating this as new information.  It's been like this for a while now.  A long while.  As Ioi stated a long time ago.  It's likely Sony is counting something else in with it's shipped sales.  Like replacement numbers.

Afterall it's not like it's JUST Vgchartz that it's at odds with.   It's at odds with EVERY major tracker.

It'd be dishonest or just wishful thinking to think it's anything else.  These were the people who's shipped used to meant "sitting in our warehouses."


Actually their shipped was sold to retailers but still sitting in our warehouses 

Not according to their own financial reports.  I'd suggest taking a look at them.  The "our" comment is amusing though.  Either you identify too much with sony or you need to re-read the financial reports.   If the age of 20 is true... i'm guessing it's the later... unless you work at a Sony Style store or something.

 

All the major trackers are in perfect harmony.  Just like they were before Sony switched their reporting methods.

If the major trackers were in the wrong... Sony would speak up about it.  They woudl say "Our consumer sell through is much better then everbody else says... and here is why."

The fact that they don't and are still silent just like when the previous gaps were there shows it's all in the reporting method and that it's likely still different from the other two.

It's really basic common sense.  Anything else is pure wishfull thinking.  Which... using "our"... no offense, but it does clearly demonstrate your lack of objectivity.  Treating Sony as if it were a baseball team.

dude I copied what you said and added more detail (the fact it was sold to retailers, as in paid for) as for Sony not speaking out against trackers, I honestly don't think they give a shit after it leaves their warehouse and is paid for especially outside of japan


It... wasn't.  Look at their fiancial reports.

Lets be honest... you just desperately want all the trackers to be wrong.  Desperately.  Hence your use of "our" as if you were part of the Sony mechanism.

Why would Sony care if the trackers are wrong?  I dunno, maybe because that would effect their stock price, and how companies do buisness with them, since they all take the tracking numbers as gospel.  Hence why they pay for them?

I mean, you think Sony doesn't care that they are paying for numbers that they think are wrong... and also adversely effecting stock prices and customer buisness.

Please.

Ioi knows what he's doing.  That's why he's the one with the respected website credited by all sorts of instututions... and your the one refering to a company in the first person as if they were the local ball team.



unknown_soul89 on 02 August 2010
Kasz216 said:
unknown_soul89 said:
Kasz216 said:
unknown_soul89 said:
Kasz216 said:

I don't get why anybody is treating this as new information.  It's been like this for a while now.  A long while.  As Ioi stated a long time ago.  It's likely Sony is counting something else in with it's shipped sales.  Like replacement numbers.

Afterall it's not like it's JUST Vgchartz that it's at odds with.   It's at odds with EVERY major tracker.

It'd be dishonest or just wishful thinking to think it's anything else.  These were the people who's shipped used to meant "sitting in our warehouses."


Actually their shipped was sold to retailers but still sitting in our warehouses 

Not according to their own financial reports.  I'd suggest taking a look at them.  The "our" comment is amusing though.  Either you identify too much with sony or you need to re-read the financial reports.   If the age of 20 is true... i'm guessing it's the later... unless you work at a Sony Style store or something.

 

All the major trackers are in perfect harmony.  Just like they were before Sony switched their reporting methods.

If the major trackers were in the wrong... Sony would speak up about it.  They woudl say "Our consumer sell through is much better then everbody else says... and here is why."

The fact that they don't and are still silent just like when the previous gaps were there shows it's all in the reporting method and that it's likely still different from the other two.

It's really basic common sense.  Anything else is pure wishfull thinking.  Which... using "our"... no offense, but it does clearly demonstrate your lack of objectivity.  Treating Sony as if it were a baseball team.

dude I copied what you said and added more detail (the fact it was sold to retailers, as in paid for) as for Sony not speaking out against trackers, I honestly don't think they give a shit after it leaves their warehouse and is paid for especially outside of japan


It... wasn't.  Look at their fiancial reports.

Lets be honest... you just desperately want all the trackers to be wrong.  Desperately.  Hence your use of "our" as if you were part of the Sony mechanism.

Why would Sony care if the trackers are wrong?  I dunno, maybe because that would effect their stock price, and how companies do buisness with them, since they all take the tracking numbers as gospel.  Hence why they pay for them?

I mean, you think Sony doesn't care that they are paying for numbers that they think are wrong... and also adversely effecting stock prices and customer buisness.

Please.

Ioi knows what he's doing.  That's why he's the one with the respected website credited by all sorts of instututions... and your the one refering to a company in the first person as if they were the local ball team.

My use was a copy and paste of your use like I already told you once, learn to read honestly grow up and grow and brain and leave me alone