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Why are people saying that VGchartz is a console game site?

I thought it was a video game site, and I also thought PC games was counted as such. Also, don't VGchartz have its own PC forum next to the MS and Sony and Nintnedo forums?



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@Vlad321

I think your time is up. Why don't you just admit that you really can't be sure if you have had a virus some time. :)



My machine has no viruses nor adwares(or spywares.) Just don't browse shitty sites.



Antabus said:
vlad321 said:

Even better, I've actually had to write a virus program for a class a few semesters back, if I find it I could just send it to you if you want. Obviously you shouldn't run it.

No, that is not better. Anyone can compile a program (or send a random executable) but I would like to see you reverse-engineer  a binary and analyze it in "5 minutes".


See that's the thing though now we're comparing oranges to apples. You really don't need to reverse engineer the entire thing to know it's a virus. Viruses have other signatures which you can follow to identify. They either have a purpose, such as information mining, or are there to for the sake of causing harm to your computer. The ones that are made to cause harm for harm's sake are pretty easy to identify since they make themselves known. The hardest ones to catch are botnet files, but even those are not so hard to identify if you look at your network log. Keyloggers are also pisspoor at hiding within processes, and they also have to have a network connection to send their data unless someone has physical access to your PC (then youa re fucked no matter what you do but whatever).

Since I'm not about to start looking at hex jsut cause some faceless person on the internet dared me to, I am going to assuem that you also know that to detect viruses youreally don't have to detect the actual file, just detect their signature, and it is really not that hard to spend 10-15 minutes a week to scan a few lines of logs. There is a reason why a botnet ctonroller for a botnet installed in the Intel labs costs $3mil.



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selnor said:

I have no interest in what any of that offers me. 

PC gaming doesnt offer me the most important aspect to me. Ease of use and jump in and play. And as long as Halo is not on PC at launch then I'll never consider it. 

I'm glad you like PC gaming. I dont.


You can jump in to PC gaming just as easy as consoles. And you realize that if things worked out differently Halo would have been on Mac and the PS2 right?



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ssj12 said:
selnor said:

I have no interest in what any of that offers me. 

PC gaming doesnt offer me the most important aspect to me. Ease of use and jump in and play. And as long as Halo is not on PC at launch then I'll never consider it. 

I'm glad you like PC gaming. I dont.


You can jump in to PC gaming just as easy as consoles. And you realize that if things worked out differently Halo would have been on Mac and the PS2 right?

I just double click on a list with 0 disc swapping, not sure why that's hard for some people, times have changed and PC has long evolved in general and not only gaming.



dahuman said:
ssj12 said:
selnor said:

I have no interest in what any of that offers me. 

PC gaming doesnt offer me the most important aspect to me. Ease of use and jump in and play. And as long as Halo is not on PC at launch then I'll never consider it. 

I'm glad you like PC gaming. I dont.


You can jump in to PC gaming just as easy as consoles. And you realize that if things worked out differently Halo would have been on Mac and the PS2 right?

I just double click on a list with 0 disc swapping, not sure why that's hard for some people, times have changed and PC has long evolved in general and not only gaming.

My gaming PC is even hooked up to my living room TV along with my consoles...   There's nothing like a 47" screen for some WoW action!



HappySqurriel said:
Scoobes said:

Thing is, the disadvantages you mention have all been addressed.

The video for one mentioned how you can make massive savings on games which can then go on hardware, and if you're willing to invest in a little time, you can often build/upgrade PCs for relatively cheap.

The time issue has already been addressed by digital downloading. For instance, Starcraft 2 has been available for download even though it's not out yet. You can't play it until it's released, but it's downloaded, installed and waiting for you to play on release. I did the same with Dragon Age: Origins on release with Steam and just loaded it up and played. The character creater was also released before the game so I even had my character ready to go.

Installs, patches and game maintenance are all now handled automatically via programmes such as Steam. As for PC maintenance, you should be doing regular defrags, anti-virus checks, driver updates etc. anyway, so it shouldn't really be an issue as you have to anyway. Plus the consoles now seem to have there own firmware and updates anyway.

 

Your view of PC gaming seems a little dated to be honest, the issues you've raised were a problem 10 yrs ago, but not so much anymore. I haven't even mentioned the advantages of PC gaming and/or Steam as a platform such as mods & open platform, dedicated servers, Ms&Kb for RTS and FPS, download full games and have them (and saves) tied to your account to download and play anywhere, cheap games, better graphics, larger indie scene etc.


I like how my views are "dated" even though they’re still valid. A cheap PC that can play new games will run you around $750 to $1,500 and the cheaper you buy the more often you will need to upgrade. You would need to buy between 50 and 100 games for your PC before the average cost savings per title ($10 to $20 depending on multiple factors) allowed you break even on the sale of the hardware; and about the only time people save money through PC gaming is if they pirate games, which is one of the reasons why so few PC exclusive experiences exist anymore.

If you want to own a physical copy of a game, which I really do if I'm paying full price for a game, you have the same purchasing process as a console game except you’re left with the time consuming process of installing the game.

 

Right now I’m looking into replacing my current PC with something that will play Starcraft 2 and Starwars: The Old Republic at decent levels without needing to upgrade in 12 months when another game comes out; and the price level I’m looking at is between $1,000 and $1,500. Unless there are some remarkable deals announced in the next several weeks, I will probably end up spending more on the graphics card and operating system than a home console; and I will still need a new motherboard, CPU, memory and hard-drive (and I should get a new power-supply and case, along with a new optical drive while I’m at it). I’m not even talking about anything remarkable or exotic, the cost of a Radeon HD5770 and the OEM version of Windows 7 will cost more than a Wii or XBox 360 arcade, and if you don’t get a good deal will cost you more than a PS3 or the good XBox 360.

Nope, your views are dated. It's nice your looking for a PC in the $1000-1500 range but you'll be getting a PC alot more powerful than either 360 or PS3 that will play games with much nicer graphics and physics acceleration, higher res and higher frame-rate. You don't need to spend this much to have a PC that is more powerful than either HD console though. I bought my PC at the start of the gen and upgraded after 18 months (GPU) and it runs games that look better than the HD consoles at decent frame-rate. You could get a far superior PC now that'll probably last into next gen.

As for the cost of software, did you look at the video and the savings that were possible? Steam has frequent sales. The Square-Enix/Eidos sale shown in the vid saved you over $400 for numerous games. That and all the other sales more than make up for the higher hardware costs.

Also, PC is becomming more and more about digital download (nearly half of PC sales are now digital download) and less about physical media. This in fact is far more convenient and makes more logical sense as all of your games are tied to your account rather than your hardware and you can't break/lose the disc. You essentially have a permanent backup. Physical media on PC is fast becomming "dated". Don't be suprised if consoles end up having more full games available for digital download in the future.

Anyway, hope you find a nice computer. At that price I'd expect it to run most games at > 100 fps (bar Crysis) at high settings and res so enjoy!



vlad321 said:
Antabus said:
vlad321 said:

Even better, I've actually had to write a virus program for a class a few semesters back, if I find it I could just send it to you if you want. Obviously you shouldn't run it.

No, that is not better. Anyone can compile a program (or send a random executable) but I would like to see you reverse-engineer  a binary and analyze it in "5 minutes".


See that's the thing though now we're comparing oranges to apples. You really don't need to reverse engineer the entire thing to know it's a virus. Viruses have other signatures which you can follow to identify. They either have a purpose, such as information mining, or are there to for the sake of causing harm to your computer. The ones that are made to cause harm for harm's sake are pretty easy to identify since they make themselves known. The hardest ones to catch are botnet files, but even those are not so hard to identify if you look at your network log. Keyloggers are also pisspoor at hiding within processes, and they also have to have a network connection to send their data unless someone has physical access to your PC (then youa re fucked no matter what you do but whatever).

Since I'm not about to start looking at hex jsut cause some faceless person on the internet dared me to, I am going to assuem that you also know that to detect viruses youreally don't have to detect the actual file, just detect their signature, and it is really not that hard to spend 10-15 minutes a week to scan a few lines of logs. There is a reason why a botnet ctonroller for a botnet installed in the Intel labs costs $3mil.

You do know that a virus can mask itself as a normal windows file or heck, even corrupt a file which normally uses your connection? Well you are awesome with computers if you can see from a log which is normal usage and which is due to the virus.

So you can read  hex dumps too? :D Haha.

Oh and please tell me more about these "virus signatures". That is pretty interesting. What are those "signatures"?

You are hilarious. This really cracks me up.



TWRoO said:
shio said:
selnor said:

I have no interest in what any of that offers me. 

PC gaming doesnt offer me the most important aspect to me. Ease of use and jump in and play. And as long as Halo is not on PC at launch then I'll never consider it. 

I'm glad you like PC gaming. I dont.

Actually, it does offer that... ever heard of Steam?

Yesterday I opened Steam for the first time in about a month as I wasnted to screenshot Portal for VGC Most Wanted. I had to wait 10 minutes for Steam to update, then a further 10 minutes for Portal to update. Had I not been online it might have done it without needing to update, but who is likely to be offline nowadays unless there was a power cut or something.

Now this does highlight an advantage of PC gaming in that I was able to get my own screenshot easily without extra kit, however it took long enough, print screen it seems just records black if you use it for a full screen application, and exiting it crashed the game (running it with Photoshop open at the same time meant an atrocious framerate while playing too) I managed to get it though by restarting and playing the game in a window. Including the playing time to get to the bit I wanted (boss fight with GlaDOS) it took me almost 50 minutes to get a screenshot.

Now i'm not going to say PC gaming is terrible, but perhaps you can understand why it is a hassle to people and that there are actually some advantages to console gaming. My personal gripes with PC gaming are numerous.

Thing is, this same problem is present on consoles. I remember having not played Uncharted 2 for ages and had to wait for updates before I could play. Then there is the fact that I need to do a firmware update to log onto PSN and to check PS-Store (if an update is available).

Steam does a very good job of making PC gaming as hassle-free as possible. In fact, if you have Steam load up with Windows then it'll update whilst your doing normal PC stuff.