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Jordahn on 23 July 2010
mightyERone said:

Sony posted 1.6 billion in loses to their stock holders...  Sony has yet to turn a profit on PS3 anything. Any monies being made form other parts of that devision can't cover PS3 sowhere is this money Sony is making?


The whole point here is that as long as SONY is making money off of software sales, they will presume to continue to make and push great 1st and 2nd party games.  That's cool for the gamer.  Yes, SONY is in an overall financial pickle for the time being.  But that doesn't mean for anyone to discount and give up on the silver linings.  You keep plowing through the hard times while counting your blessings.  That's life.  Just glad that they can still makes the good games during all of this.



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homer on 23 July 2010
Fumanchu said:
legend92(3) said:

These are the numbers from the VGChartz yearly chart. They are sales for this year so far.


Oh ok - well I guess it makes sense as the PS3 sold 1.2million more consoles this year so far.  I guess we can glean from this that new console owners buy more software.


Also Sony has a lot more first party devs which means more first party games.



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Mr Puggsly on 23 July 2010
Jordahn said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Jordahn said:
Mr Puggsly said:
 

Basically Sony mostly just cares about their games. They've made it clear their focus is their IPs. They flood their console with quite a few 1st party titles that compete with sales of 3rd party.

http://kotaku.com/216256/sony-lost-ps3-exclusives-says-requisite-stupid-things

To the contrary, MS has put a focus on bringing great 3rd party exclusives to the 360 and support them. They even throw money around to get them.


How can anyone seriously take the link you posted as support for your statement is beyond any reason.  Trenton said:

"We really feel like we're well positioned to contribute platform-defining games from a first-party standpoint, and we're not dependent on third-party community to the degree that a Microsoft would be. That being said, you would be crazy to say that you would never entertain or not welcome exclusives. It's just a question of how deep into your pockets do you have to reach to secure that? Desperation breeds deep pockets. Confidence breeds the opposite. When it makes sense, you do the deal. When it doesn't, you pass."

It means that they will take advantage of a 3rd party exclusive when they think it's worth the investment while learning to be more independent.   It still doesn't mean that "developers have chosen to side with the 360 for exclusivity of certain titles" just because SONY has more studios and titles that Microsoft.  And just because a console maker looses a game as an exclusive doesn't mean it's not coming to that same console as a multi-platform game.  This isn't the case either.  The PS3 still has its share of third party exclusives for whatever reasons whether you want to deny that or not regardless of your personal preferences.  And in regards to extras, games like Batman:AA, RDR, Toy Story, and the newest UFC have all have simultaneously releases on both the 360 and PS3.  And all PS3 versions of those titles received PS3 exclusive content.  And that's not including upcoming games like Metal of Honor, Mafia II, and Portal 2 which all will be getting PS3 exclusive content.  Stop being so one-sided, man.

Well they dropped the ball by letting MS getting ahold of many exclusives that were generally on Sony consoles. The PS1 and PS2 didn't dominate because of their great 1st party line up. The real attraction was and still is 3rd party in my opinion.

Like I said, Sony is paying for exclusive content because they are combating the exclusive content MS gets. We can assume that's considerably cheaper than straight out buying an exclusive. Nor would it be a good idea for Sony to lose more money.

I don't understand why you are caling me one sided. I just happen to prefer the exclusives the 360 has.

SONY "dropped" the ball by picking up a bigger and better one in the form of their 1st and 2nd party exclusives.  And I called you one sided because your statement:

"Perhaps that's part of the reason some developers have chosen to side with the 360 for exclusivity of certain titles..."

... still holds very little if any water since the PS3 still has its share of 3rd party exclusives whether you prefer them or not.  One could argue that some 3rd party titles become PS3 exclusives because of not wanting to compete against high sales of titles such as Halo.  So we can conclude that high Halo sales are a bad thing,  I'm not saying this is the case, and I doubt I ever will.  But you are trying to negatively spin that SONY having more developing studios to work with is causing more harm than good by applying the belief that it forces developer to develop games on the 360 instead as an exclusive.  If you want to believe that, then fine.  But who knows all the reasonings why "game a" is a PS3 exclusive given the fact that SONY has more studios to work with than Microsoft.  That's how you're being one sided, nothing to do with your gaming preferences.  But then again, maybe your gaming preferences are so extreme to where it actually makes you one sided.

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Well I think Sony could have done both. Focusing on their IPs and still holding on to great exclusives might have lifted them over the 360. I guess that was an opportunity lost.

MS tends to support their 3rd party exclusives more than Sony supports theirs. My personal preference of exclusives was just an opinion I shared.



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Aion on 24 July 2010

Well Sony has lot more First party than ms.



 

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Recon1O1 on 24 July 2010

Ping_ii:  So out of everything in my previous post you choose again to ignore the issues, deliberately misinterpret my comments and launch another personal attack.  This time belittling me and questioning my intelligence.  Par for the course from another of Sony's unpaid attack dogs.  I see your banned for more of same. 

There were two ways to interpret my post.  A reasoning adult would assume a modicum of intellect as I had been doing for you and look at a potential comparison of Slasher GOW3 and WRPG Fable3 on it's merits.  The only objection I can see would be that the genre WRPG has expanded this gen and might have more of a userbase than Slashers do now.  If so, said adult would point that out and reject the evidence as not indicative of PS3's selling power.  An angry adolescent would react and reply as you did.  If as PS3 fans repeatedly claim, GOW3 is the greatest game in it's genre, graphics king and AAA meta why wouldn't it do every bit as well as Fable 2 that had none of those advantages?  Do you believe Fable 3 will sell less on a far larger userbase?  GOW3 is doing very well at 2.7m even before it's first holiday season but it is unlikely to hit the 4.5 to 5m that the Fable IP is capable of. Would you have rather I brought up Demon's Souls?  Should I have taken FFXIII nos from PS3 only and pretended it was still an exclusive?     

The two genres are comparable imo as neither generate huge numbers and both have smaller but loyal fanbases but I'm obviously wasting my time here.  What was my point mentioning Reach nos. vs KZ2 and 3?  How can you even pretend to not see the relevance to a comparison that is absolutely and completely on topic?  It is obvious now that you are deliberately avoiding and misinterpreting me to try to prove your alleged point.  The alternative is even more alarming.  Need that spelled out for you as well do you?  What was your point exacly anyway?  Other than that you hate the 360 and it's users.

Believe what you want,  I believe the SW gap will begin growing again as the new 360 owners fill in their libraries just as Slim owners are doing almost a year after it's launch.  There is no evidence the 360 is selling to a larger percentage of existing owners yet and I will wait for that evidence.  1st party development is not necessarily a better or more lucrative business model in the more expensive world of HD gaming and running around buying up pricy, existing devs and driving themselves back into the red is not a solution to M$' relative weakness in that category.  Time to game.



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amacfantasy on 25 July 2010
legend92(3) said:

Sony's SW -  72 Million (14.5 million first party) Includes PS3 (50.8), PS2 (6.8) and PSP (15.2) Sales

MS's SW - 46.6 Million (4.3 million first party) 360 sales only.

Using the estimates of $48 for a first party games and $12 for third party games. We see that Sony earns a total of about 1.38 billion dollars compared to 707 million dollars for MS. 

Interesting seeing PS3 SW sales being higher than 360 SW even with a 5 million lead, also interesting to see Sony making so much money form it but still posting loss after loss.

This thread has no reall meaning to it for a couple reasons for one i dont even know if these numbers are correct and from what period are they from, like from when to when are these recordings from? Cuz the ps3 could have a hot period for a couple months that also happens to be a slow period for 360 in a certain recorded period, but overall which is whats important the 360 wins.  Second sony is getting software sales from two other system while smaller is still substantial to this periods recordings. And also there is the whole digital network market for each of these systems inwhich the 360 obviously is far more dominant at selling download games and so forth.