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Reasonable said:

I'm not a fan of the various veils worn by Muslim women but this seems the wrong approach to me.

Like a fair number of Europeans (so far as I'm aware) I want a soceity where the state and legal laws take precedence over religous beliefs as the standards for behaviour, but this is a very simplistic approach to a thorny issue.

What angle (in your view) would be more approriate to approach this?



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Members of the French parliament voted 335-1 in favour of the burka ban. Also out of those 336 members, 4 are Muslims. So, it would appear, that some Muslims are oppose to the Burka.

When in Rome....do as the Romans do. It is up to the minority of Muslims to adjust to France rather than France adjust to a minority of Muslims.






I am all for it. It's about time we show foreign extremists that they have to assimilate to our way of living or else they can leave.

Plus Burkas in particular are discriminating against women.

 

@Richard

The ban Burka debate is far older than 9/11 in France.



FootballFan said:
Reasonable said:

I'm not a fan of the various veils worn by Muslim women but this seems the wrong approach to me.

Like a fair number of Europeans (so far as I'm aware) I want a soceity where the state and legal laws take precedence over religous beliefs as the standards for behaviour, but this is a very simplistic approach to a thorny issue.

What angle (in your view) would be more approriate to approach this?

How about an approach where we aren't allowed to tell people what they can or can't wear just because we don't like it?

Besides, if people really want to hide their face they will find a way to do it.



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First off, this blatantly isn't about public safety, the burka has been singly pointed out. It's obviously targeting muslims.

I agree with Sarkozy when he says "The veil hurts the dignity of women", but in that case don't ban the burka. All that does is take away a woman's right to wear the religious clothing of her choice... But that's exactly the point, her choice.

Many Muslim women don't have the choice, they are forced to wear the burka by male relatives or husband. If you want to ban something, then ban people from forcing others to wear religious clothing.

Forcing women to not wear the burka would be just as bad as those forcing those same women to wear the burka.

Not sure my idea would have much effect though.



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FootballFan said:

When in Rome....do as the Romans do. It is up to the minority of Muslims to adjust to France rather than France adjust to a minority of Muslims.

Of course. But the modern West sadly doesn't understand this. We're deep in the process of commiting collective suicide.



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FootballFan said:
Reasonable said:

I'm not a fan of the various veils worn by Muslim women but this seems the wrong approach to me.

Like a fair number of Europeans (so far as I'm aware) I want a soceity where the state and legal laws take precedence over religous beliefs as the standards for behaviour, but this is a very simplistic approach to a thorny issue.

What angle (in your view) would be more approriate to approach this?

How about an approach where we aren't allowed to tell people what they can or can't wear just because we don't like it?

Besides, if people really want to hide their face they will find a way to do it.

It wouldn't work asking them to remove their Burka for the interest of THEIR country. Clearly they don't care that 82% of France says that all garments covering the face should be banned. If people want to walk around with an umberella in front of them fine.....thats their choice.



I can't see this working. It will be interesting to see if people will follow these rules.



Slimebeast said:

I am all for it. It's about time we show foreign extremists that they have to assimilate to our way of living or else they can leave.

Plus Burkas in particular are discriminating against women.

 

@Richard

The ban Burka debate is far older than 9/11 in France.

Yeah, lets show those extremist burqa wearing women. They are obviously a threat to france.



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im not sure how this will work, it seems to be more about islamophobia than anything else, the issue is not that they are wearing them, its why they are wearing them, if they are doing so because they choose too, then they should be allowed to, but if they are being forced, you need to stop that from happening, its a very complex issue, banning the burka wont really solve anything and will likely only alienate muslims further and create more tension between them and other people in the countries that do this.