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Well, the only problem I see is that what would happen if I or anyone wanted to wear one of those just because they want too, I dont agree with the ban in that case. Considering many women are forced to wear those it makes think: Fuck the Burkas.

So, in a way, I think the law isnt good because it doesnt let you wear what you could want to wear, and in another way, it prevents some males forcing women to wear them so I like that effect. But, I think this law could be perfected.

On another side of the discussion, its true, you have to accept the laws of whatever country you live or are visiting, but that doesnt make the laws good, if 95% of the people believe something it doesnt make it a good law. If 80% of people want to affect the rights of other 5% without a good and legitimate reason(like limiting the use of polluting substances for the sake of the enviorment) it doesnt make it right, so it could be interpreted like this affects your right of choice for the sake of nothing.

I dont think its for security reasons, I think its to fight some cultural things that go against our western way of seeing things, forcing a woman to wear something isnt correct in our western world and that shouldnt be allowed in a country that has this thinking, thats what I think this law is for.

As someone said, if it was for me, Id make a law to punish the people that force other people to wear them, but that surely may be punished by preexisting laws, and even if those women wont wear those things, I think they will be under the power of their male counterparts in other ways. So well, thats the way I see it.



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FootballFan said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Banning the burkha is un-British says UK governement.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10674973

"Telling people what they can and can't wear, if they're just walking down the street, is a rather un-British thing to do,"

"Britain is a free country. We value our freedoms and we don't want MPs or the government telling British citizens what they can or can't wear."

 

Shame, the government doesn't listen to the vast majority of the citizens. In a recent Yougov poll 67.2% of people in the UK want the Burka banned.

I would argue it that the Burka is "un-British"

If 80% of people wanted long hair to be banned it still wouldnt be right to ban it.



some would say that their "choice" to wear the garment isnt really their choice at all.  if they are taught and raised that that is what they have to wear to be a proper muslim woman and that not wearing it dishonours themselves, their family, and god... how much choice do some of them really have.



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MrBubbles said:

some would say that their "choice" to wear the garment isnt really their choice at all.  if they are taught and raised that that is what they have to wear to be a proper muslim woman and that not wearing it dishonours themselves, their family, and god... how much choice do some of them really have.


Well, then you could argue most of the things dont come from choice, Muslims arent the only ones that have to worry about dishonoring family members or friends or god.

And its not entirely about muslims, if for whatever reason I wanted to wear a Burka just because I want it, there is no reason, maybe security, I couldnt wear it. This assuming France has western views of rights they contributed so much creating, its about being consecuent with your own beliefs as a culture.



While an individual is free to practice their religion as they see fit, immigrants to a region have to be willing to conform to the norms of the society they’re moving to; and while banning the Burka is somewhat meaningless from a practical perspective, it does have a strong symbolic meaning.



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horrible horrible horrible! THis is pathetic France! Sad to see people actually support this kind of legislation even on this forum.

 

Imagine a country banning going to church on Sunday, get the picture? Argue all you want but this is lack of tolerance towards other religious points of view...developed nation my ass



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M.U.G.E.N said:

horrible horrible horrible! THis is pathetic France! Sad to see people actually support this kind of legislation even on this forum.

 

Imagine a country banning going to church on Sunday, get the picture? Argue all you want but this is lack of tolerance towards other religious points of view...developed nation my ass

Not all religious points of view deserve tolerance. The view that apostates should be killed (a feature of many religions) for example should be treated with scorn and ridicule at every turn. Not all religious rights should be allowed, since the moral standards are constantly evolving.

The question of wether this is one of those cases is very debatable however, and isn't as clean cut as say, changing laws and cultural norms (or acknowledging the changing moral norms that already exist) so apostates aren't killed is.



M.U.G.E.N said:

horrible horrible horrible! THis is pathetic France! Sad to see people actually support this kind of legislation even on this forum.

 

Imagine a country banning going to church on Sunday, get the picture? Argue all you want but this is lack of tolerance towards other religious points of view...developed nation my ass

I think you don’t understand ...

In the Qur’an and in the Hadiths it is mandated that individuals who follow Islam must dress modestly, and it is (more or less) in reference to individuals not showing off their material wealth. These passages are misinterpreted, misrepresented and abused in order to force women to cover the entirety of their body. The burka is very symbolic in a culture which blames victims of sexual abuse (regardless of age) of being seductresses, and has stoned these women for adultery even if they’re violently raped.

Protecting the burka under religious freedom is only slightly better than protecting a priest’s right to abuse alter-boys under religious freedom.
 



HappySqurriel said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

horrible horrible horrible! THis is pathetic France! Sad to see people actually support this kind of legislation even on this forum.

 

Imagine a country banning going to church on Sunday, get the picture? Argue all you want but this is lack of tolerance towards other religious points of view...developed nation my ass

I think you don’t understand ...

In the Qur’an and in the Hadiths it is mandated that individuals who follow Islam must dress modestly, and it is (more or less) in reference to individuals not showing off their material wealth. These passages are misinterpreted, misrepresented and abused in order to force women to cover the entirety of their body. The burka is very symbolic in a culture which blames victims of sexual abuse (regardless of age) of being seductresses, and has stoned these women for adultery even if they’re violently raped.

Protecting the burka under religious freedom is only slightly better than protecting a priest’s right to abuse alter-boys under religious freedom.
 

Nope I think your misunderstanding something here..I have seen countless arguments back and forth about what it says in the Qur'an vs. what is done today...and it will keep going too. IF the french really wanted to stop the 'abuse' of women then they should have made it illegal to force them to wear it..what about those who 'choose' to wear it? Their rights are taken away by this. What next? Goths? EMo's? Gays? Trans? Passing a legislatiion such as this is a really poor method and it actually creates oppression. I think people have this issue of adding anything related to Muslims to dumb ass extremists in the middle east. There are plenty of great open minded Muslims who actually choose to wear the burka. I'm sure for the French or even other nations there are better things that require thier attention like economy. And as for your last sentence, really? Sounded a lot like those guys in Kansas who scream, soldiers who fight for their nation are driven by devils! Not being able to tolerate ones rights just becase they are in the monority creates mistrust, panic, inequality and most of all a pathetic excuse for a country....that's no better than priests from Western nations going to Africa to preach how Gays eat 'poo poo' (true story, check on youtube) and should be killed as their ways do not match the ways of the society.At the end of the  day, horrible horrible move by the French (well some of them at least) no matter how one may spin it...

and btw to those who keep ranting baout 'immigrants' there are plenty of Western born citizens who wear the burka as well..just saying



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FootballFan said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Banning the burkha is un-British says UK governement.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10674973

"Telling people what they can and can't wear, if they're just walking down the street, is a rather un-British thing to do,"

"Britain is a free country. We value our freedoms and we don't want MPs or the government telling British citizens what they can or can't wear."

 

Shame, the government doesn't listen to the vast majority of the citizens. In a recent Yougov poll 67.2% of people in the UK want the Burka banned.

I would argue it that the Burka is "un-British"

this is the UK governement that is "unbritish"



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