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I think it was a 4 star movie, out of 4. It was better than Sunshine, if that gives you any insight into my review relative to recent sci-fi films. It was lightyears better than the new Star Trek, which was very good in and of itself.

I think it is Nolan's best movie, edging out Momento, and again, lightyears better than Batman Begins or TDK. The subelty Nolan weaves into his characters....it's like watching an entire season of a sci-fi show in one movie. Epic and evolutionary. I think it's bound to at least be nominated, it not win, best picture, best screenplay, and best director this year. Write it down, this is a masterpiece.



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ZenfoldorVGI said:

I think it was a 4 star movie, out of 4. It was better than Sunshine, if that gives you any insight into my review relative to recent sci-fi films. It was lightyears better than the new Star Trek, which was very good in and of itself.

I think it is Nolan's best movie, edging out Momento, and again, lightyears better than Batman Begins or TDK. The subelty Nolan weaves into his characters....it's like watching an entire season of a sci-fi show in one movie. Epic and evolutionary. I think it's bound to at least be nominated, it not win, best picture, best screenplay, and best director this year. Write it down, this is a masterpiece.

 
I respect your opinion about the movie. I think we look for different things in our science fiction movies. It didn't have what I was looking for... But it is a technical masterpiece.

I think many people are goign to be vowed with this film as Nolan took a 100-150 million dollar production and made it in to a movie worth watching for the story and one that engages the mind. This is not a frequent occurance in holwood.

But I don't think it will win many oscars. Other than special effect which is a shoe in...

Reason for this is that most of the top critics are not feeling it as much as the general public.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/inception/?critic=creamcrop#contentReviews

Even the positive reviews have quotes like this...

"Pretty good, not bad, but brilliant it surely ain’t"

and

"With its James Bond-on-acid action scenes and puzzle-within-a-maze-within-a-puzzle mind games, Inception is certainly the most daring and original blockbuster of the year, as well as a visual tour de force. If it only had a heart."



disolitude said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:

I think it was a 4 star movie, out of 4. It was better than Sunshine, if that gives you any insight into my review relative to recent sci-fi films. It was lightyears better than the new Star Trek, which was very good in and of itself.

I think it is Nolan's best movie, edging out Momento, and again, lightyears better than Batman Begins or TDK. The subelty Nolan weaves into his characters....it's like watching an entire season of a sci-fi show in one movie. Epic and evolutionary. I think it's bound to at least be nominated, it not win, best picture, best screenplay, and best director this year. Write it down, this is a masterpiece.

 
I respect your opinion about the movie. I think we look for different things in our science fiction movies. It didn't have what I was looking for... But it is a technical masterpiece.

I think many people are goign to be vowed with this film as Nolan took a 100-150 million dollar production and made it in to a movie worth watching for the story and one that engages the mind. This is not a frequent occurance in holwood.

But I don't think it will win many oscars. Other than special effect which is a shoe in...

Reason for this is that most of the top critics are not feeling it as much as the general public.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/inception/?critic=creamcrop#contentReviews

Even the positive reviews have quotes like this...

"Pretty good, not bad, but brilliant it surely ain’t"

and

"With its James Bond-on-acid action scenes and puzzle-within-a-maze-within-a-puzzle mind games, Inception is certainly the most daring and original blockbuster of the year, as well as a visual tour de force. If it only had a heart."


Make no doubt about it, it won't win many Oscars simply because of its genre.

EDIT: And btw, what's up with all the Batman bashing in this thread?



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themanwithnoname said:
 


Make no doubt about it, it won't win many Oscars simply because of its genre.

EDIT: And btw, what's up with all the Batman bashing in this thread?

Batman Begins I wouldn't bash as its the absolute best movie Nolan could have made with that script (which wasn't that great)

But the Dark Knight...

For a comic book movie which tries so hard to be taken on a serious level, the Dark Knight had more plot holes than swiss cheese. Add the cookie monster Christian Bales voice which he uses any time whe Batman (even when he is next to Alfred for some reason)...and absolute laughable makeup on Harvey Dent post accident... I had a hard time not laughing at what I was watching.

If i wasn't for Heath Ledger who made that movie, Batman would have been a huge bomb in my eyes. The sad thing is, TDK got a LOT of hype cause Heath Ledger died which helped it do so well at the box office. Sad but true...



disolitude said:
themanwithnoname said:
 


Make no doubt about it, it won't win many Oscars simply because of its genre.

EDIT: And btw, what's up with all the Batman bashing in this thread?

Batman Begins I wouldn't bash as its the absolute best movie Nolan could have made with that script (which wasn't that great)

But the Dark Knight...

For a comic book movie which tries so hard to be taken on a serious level, the Dark Knight had more plot holes than swiss cheese. Add the cookie monster Christian Bales voice which he uses any time whe Batman (even when he is next to Alfred for some reason)...and absolute laughable makeup on Harvey Dent post accident... I had a hard time not laughing at what I was watching.

If i wasn't for Heath Ledger who made that movie, Batman would have been a huge bomb in my eyes. The sad thing is, TDK got a LOT of hype cause Heath Ledger died which helped it do so well at the box office. Sad but true...


You do realize he wrote the script, right?

Bale's voice just adds to the interpretation of Batman and Bruce Wayne as two different characters.

What would you have prefered him to look like, the Two Face in Batman Forever?



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Let me clear something up about the critics. A large number of the negative reviews are from critics based in New York. In fact, the number is vastly disproportionate. At one point, 16 of the 23 negative reviews for the movie were from New York based critics and only 4 positive from New York. The speculation is that the New York Critics are bitter(and they are, admittedly) about Nolan's choice not to pick New York as Gotham for TDK. It's mentioned in SEVERAL reviews FOR INCEPTION by those critics and indeed, there was nearly a RT article written about it, before the reviews started to even out slightly(though the negatives are still disproportionately from NYC.

So, before you start putting too much faith in RT on the top critics opinions, you need to understand that NYC critics snubbed this film without crediting its merit, and anyone who keeps up with this kind of stuff will tell you that. It's kind of like saying, "Wii sucks, just ask EGM." The bastards are biased and don't need to be telling anyone how good something is if they can't keep their personal shit out of their reviews.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

disolitude said:
themanwithnoname said:
 


Make no doubt about it, it won't win many Oscars simply because of its genre.

EDIT: And btw, what's up with all the Batman bashing in this thread?

Batman Begins I wouldn't bash as its the absolute best movie Nolan could have made with that script (which wasn't that great)

But the Dark Knight...

For a comic book movie which tries so hard to be taken on a serious level, the Dark Knight had more plot holes than swiss cheese. Add the cookie monster Christian Bales voice which he uses any time whe Batman (even when he is next to Alfred for some reason)...and absolute laughable makeup on Harvey Dent post accident... I had a hard time not laughing at what I was watching.

If i wasn't for Heath Ledger who made that movie, Batman would have been a huge bomb in my eyes. The sad thing is, TDK got a LOT of hype cause Heath Ledger died which helped it do so well at the box office. Sad but true...


I disagree, TDK was pretty damn great, imo, and it's very highly rated on RT(which you brough up a moment ago). It's a rare movie that is universally loved by critics and audiences, so I have to disagree with your opinion.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

ZenfoldorVGI said:

Let me clear something up about the critics. A large number of the negative reviews are from critics based in New York. In fact, the number is vastly disproportionate. At one point, 16 of the 23 negative reviews for the movie were from New York based critics and only 4 positive from New York. The speculation is that the New York Critics are bitter(and they are, admittedly) about Nolan's choice not to pick New York as Gotham for TDK. It's mentioned in SEVERAL reviews FOR INCEPTION by those critics and indeed, there was nearly a RT article written about it, before the reviews started to even out slightly(though the negatives are still disproportionately from NYC.

So, before you start putting too much faith in RT on the top critics opinions, you need to understand that NYC critics snubbed this film without crediting its merit, and anyone who keeps up with this kind of stuff will tell you that. It's kind of like saying, "Wii sucks, just ask EGM." The bastards are biased and don't need to be telling anyone how good something is if they can't keep their personal shit out of their reviews.


That's interesting, and I never would have known that. I do like a few critics, Ebert particularly even if I do disagree with him from time to time, but it wouldn't shock me, considering most of these guys are quite frankly, elitist windbags (to put it nicely). My opinion for the Oscar committee isn't too different. I suppose though, most people on that committee are critics though.



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ZenfoldorVGI said:
disolitude said:
themanwithnoname said:
 


Make no doubt about it, it won't win many Oscars simply because of its genre.

EDIT: And btw, what's up with all the Batman bashing in this thread?

Batman Begins I wouldn't bash as its the absolute best movie Nolan could have made with that script (which wasn't that great)

But the Dark Knight...

For a comic book movie which tries so hard to be taken on a serious level, the Dark Knight had more plot holes than swiss cheese. Add the cookie monster Christian Bales voice which he uses any time whe Batman (even when he is next to Alfred for some reason)...and absolute laughable makeup on Harvey Dent post accident... I had a hard time not laughing at what I was watching.

If i wasn't for Heath Ledger who made that movie, Batman would have been a huge bomb in my eyes. The sad thing is, TDK got a LOT of hype cause Heath Ledger died which helped it do so well at the box office. Sad but true...


I disagree, TDK was pretty damn great, imo, and it's very highly rated on RT(which you brough up a moment ago). It's a rare movie that is universally loved by critics and audiences, so I have to disagree with your opinion.

First of all I never said that RT should be the yardstick on which a movie should be measured...but Oscars usually are based on votes which tend to be based on reviews, box office and reception.You were saying how this movie is going to sweep the oscars which is a a little far fetched at the moment.

I saw Inception again today. I wanted to see if I missed anything and how it stacks up on a second viewing... I give credit to Nolan who films movies with such conviction and has the ability to persuade you that what you are watching is absolutely amazing and that the logic is bulletproof... Its only a few days later after you've thought about it for a bit or after you watch it the second time that you realize there are major issues with the movie.

Inception is a perfect example. The movie is being praised as "smart" but think about it...it isn't smart at all. There are no twists which require thinking, no actions which require you to connect any prior events.  Sure, it requires for you to pay attention but if that is considered smart these days, then I don't know what to say...

You said in your earlier posts that Nolan brings a level of subtlety to his characters. That is a prepostorous statement which makes me believe you either don't know what that means or didn't watch the movie. In Inception none of the characters other than Leo and his wife are realized at all. Do we know anything about any of them? We know that Juno girl (Ellen Page) is the top student at...drawing mazes? The forger is a former member of...Nsync? None of them are real characters with any development.This fact alone was what made me believe that the whole movie was a dream as everyone other than Leo's character is just a cardboard stand in with lines... but Nolan was too busy at counting exact seconds between the 3 dreams, and making action sequences (which he can't shoot to save his life) to bother exploring that, more interesting,  route.

While the internetz will have many different interpretation of the very last scene as that is what internetz does, I believe that scene is just Nolan having some fun with the audience.

"Ooh...its spinning...but kinda akwardly...lets discuss!"

Like I said, I consider it to be a solid entertaining movie. But people need to see it more than once before they start proclaiming "Oscar winner!". Its really not at that level...

As far as TDK, you did not argue that any of the points I brought up are wrong. Just that its "pretty damn great"... I don't know how to respond to that. It is great...but there are major issues with its ending logic. Doesn't that make it not so great?



So you went from mentioning how refreshing it was to see such a smart film and not assume the audience is dumb, to seeing it again and claiming it's not smart at all? Excuse me if I'm not facepalming ad nauseum right now...

I'm beginning to think you just aren't a Christopher Nolan fan at all, which there's nothing wrong with, but I think you're kneejerking yourself way off the deep end.



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