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ssj12 said:
Wagram said:
ssj12 said:

Dude seriously, my mom's laptop will run FFXIV and it was a $450 laptop. We all know laptop parts are shit compared to desktop parts and for $450 I could build a pretty decent desktop.


Yeah you can run it. But how well can you run it? On a 450 laptop your probably going to get a 1000 or less benchmark score which is bare bones with lag.


not true, I just installed my GTX480 and now have 6GBs of ram. Do you want to know how much of an improvement on the benchmark I gained? 40 points. My system scores a 2248 now. The benchmark is trash. Plain and simple. It tests nothing but CPU preformance with threading and does ia piss poor job at it since my CPU gets a P18990 running 3dMark Vantage which is a pretty good score.

As for the specs of my mom's laptop. 3GBs of ram, HD3xxx mobile (its mid-grade, just forget exact model), and an Athlon II CPU running at 2.1GHz. It can run FFXI easily and actually run Crysis on low (at like 25fps but still it runs it). I havent tested the system with 3dmark or anything else but if I was to guess what it would score CPU wise I'd place it maybe around P14000 which is 1000 points above my Athlon X2 4600 .

my friend, my CPU never went above 30% during those tests..... that thing is pretty video card heavy.....Wagram has almost the same setup that I do besides the video card and I kicked his ass by 700 points because I have a 5870 and he has a 5850, I think it's just that your CPU is too old at this point, I'll try running that benchmark on my 4400 MPC with a 3870 and update on the score when I get home so we can compare results.



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twesterm said:
Wagram said:
twesterm said:
Wagram said:
poroporo said:
RockMan10 said:

I used to have FFXI on PC and PS2, I always played on ps2 because I could just lay in bed or whatever and be lazy while playing.. I didnt really prefer being hunched over a desk and killing myself like that on a PC.

 

I only kept it on PC because it was my laptop and I could take it around and play anywhere...

Consoles are more comfortable in my opinion, especially now everything is wireless

I used to play WHM/BLM and honestly I don't know how I could've managed without a keyboard. I had like ten million macros for my stuff :<

I'm an old school WHM on Cerberus. I was the shiz. and I found it easier to play without macros for that job.

No offense, but you couldn't be as good as the actual good WHM's.  If you don't have macro's, you're automatically slower than me.  Hell, I even had an alliance set where I could quickly cast on alliance members without having to go through the trouble of funny keys or lots of tabs.

If you don't cure at the perfect time, you get agro and if you don't cast any of your other spells at the perfect time you ruin the flow of the party or slow things down.  While you're sitting with cure ready on the tank, I'm busy doing everything else.


Funny, I was always the main WHM in my HNMLS on Cerberus. I used to cover our best tank, and possibly the best damn tank of all time Boaz. Me and that guy were an unstoppable team.


Again, no offense, but I just doubt you were one of the best.

1) Everyone thinks "they're one of the best ____" or "they're in the best xLS", they're not.

2) I believe you truly think you and your tank were one of the best, I just don't think it's true.  If you've never experienced better simply because you haven't played with better for whatever reason, it's easy to think you're the best.

3) Covering a single tank isn't really a hard job and in that case, macros aren't hugely important (though macros are always better than no macros).  One more time, absolutely no offense here, but if I knew you didn't use macros, I would probably tell you to concentrate on a single person too.  Not because you're awesome, but because I would seriously doubt your ability to do anything else.  A good clue covering only the tank isn't hard and doesn't require as good of a healer?  This job was usually defauled to me when I went and did at with my LS when I was only a 60SMN and they were all 75.

4) You may be the best WHM around that doesn't use macros, but you're still probably not as good as a mediocre WHM that does use macros.  It's actually fairly funny that you consider yourself awesome but don't use macros.  Just because you're playing it the harder way, or old school, and being stubborn doesn't make your better.

I made almost my entire career as a mage and my mains were SMN, WHM, BRD, and SCH so I know healing.  I had every mage class leveled to at least 37 and many of the melee classes decently leveled too.  If you're not using macros, you're doing it wrong.  Lets just hope you never played RDM.

Healing and Nuking are pretty easy in FF11 anyways..... this is such a weird argument lol. Twes is right though, RDM is better played with macros because of the utilities that the job provides. He was also right with PC mods, the game would be better on PC, but that's a no shit tbh, PC players will always have the edge in MMOs unless everything is locked down(and will be hacked through) or the PS3 allows for heavy modding which won't happen, ever.



Honestly I don't think using macros on a mage job makes you better. It is there for convienence But I prefer a challenge. a challenge of which I always overcame.



Wagram said:

Honestly I don't think using macros on a mage job makes you better. It is there for convienence But I prefer a challenge. a challenge of which I always overcame.


FF11 is kind of a slow game so that logic can apply fine without crazy macros which would never work with a game like WoW, and from what I've seen, they are speeding up the combat to close to WoW speed, so.....



dahuman said:
Wagram said:

Honestly I don't think using macros on a mage job makes you better. It is there for convienence But I prefer a challenge. a challenge of which I always overcame.


FF11 is kind of a slow game so that logic can apply fine without crazy macros which would never work with a game like WoW, and from what I've seen, they are speeding up the combat to close to WoW speed, so.....


FFXI is slow in that you can't get max level in a week or two like WoW but the actually combat and all that is pretty quick and involved (even in long battles).

If you're doing healing or support, you constantly have to be on your toes to keep up with healing, debuffs, buffs, status ailments, and so on. 

If you're playing something like SMN, you have several timers to deal with along with deciding what BP to use when and probably keeping the party alive all at the same time.

If you're playing RDM and you don't have a headache, you're doing it wrong.

If you're playing any kind of other class, you're constantly monitoring hate and TP so the healer doesn't hate you and you can take part in SC's.

If you're playing a traditional tank, you constantly have to be on top of your game and keeping track of timers.  If you're playing /NIN, you have even more to keep track of. 

FFXI may not be the quickest game, but if you don't think it's not involved you must have no got very far into the game.

And as for the challenge comment, you might be able to handle it but again, you're probably about as good as any mediocre or passable WHM.  If you want to work twice as hard and be worse than me, it's your game, have fun!  Just don't try to pass yourself off as an incredible WHM and tell people macros aren't important because they really are.



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twesterm said:
dahuman said:
Wagram said:

Honestly I don't think using macros on a mage job makes you better. It is there for convienence But I prefer a challenge. a challenge of which I always overcame.


FF11 is kind of a slow game so that logic can apply fine without crazy macros which would never work with a game like WoW, and from what I've seen, they are speeding up the combat to close to WoW speed, so.....


FFXI is slow in that you can't get max level in a week or two like WoW but the actually combat and all that is pretty quick and involved (even in long battles).

If you're doing healing or support, you constantly have to be on your toes to keep up with healing, debuffs, buffs, status ailments, and so on. 

If you're playing something like SMN, you have several timers to deal with along with deciding what BP to use when and probably keeping the party alive all at the same time.

If you're playing RDM and you don't have a headache, you're doing it wrong.

If you're playing any kind of other class, you're constantly monitoring hate and TP so the healer doesn't hate you and you can take part in SC's.

If you're playing a traditional tank, you constantly have to be on top of your game and keeping track of timers.  If you're playing /NIN, you have even more to keep track of. 

FFXI may not be the quickest game, but if you don't think it's not involved you must have no got very far into the game.

And as for the challenge comment, you might be able to handle it but again, you're probably about as good as any mediocre or passable WHM.  If you want to work twice as hard and be worse than me, it's your game, have fun!  Just don't try to pass yourself off as an incredible WHM and tell people macros aren't important because they really are.

Best thing I can think of that equates to this, is keyboard turners in WoW.

You can always tell in any type of encounter (especially in PVP) who is a keyboard turner and who is not.  No question one is better than the other (regardless of HOW good the keyboard turner is, he is slower PERIOD)

The only way no macro's will beat macro's is for the specific user (not over all).  Maybe the person is just terrible with them or cannot remember them, but put a great macro user up against a great non macro user and there is a huge difference between the two (same with a keyboard turner vs a mouse turner in WoW)



twesterm said:
dahuman said:
Wagram said:

Honestly I don't think using macros on a mage job makes you better. It is there for convienence But I prefer a challenge. a challenge of which I always overcame.


FF11 is kind of a slow game so that logic can apply fine without crazy macros which would never work with a game like WoW, and from what I've seen, they are speeding up the combat to close to WoW speed, so.....


FFXI is slow in that you can't get max level in a week or two like WoW but the actually combat and all that is pretty quick and involved (even in long battles).

If you're doing healing or support, you constantly have to be on your toes to keep up with healing, debuffs, buffs, status ailments, and so on. 

If you're playing something like SMN, you have several timers to deal with along with deciding what BP to use when and probably keeping the party alive all at the same time.

If you're playing RDM and you don't have a headache, you're doing it wrong.

If you're playing any kind of other class, you're constantly monitoring hate and TP so the healer doesn't hate you and you can take part in SC's.

If you're playing a traditional tank, you constantly have to be on top of your game and keeping track of timers.  If you're playing /NIN, you have even more to keep track of. 

FFXI may not be the quickest game, but if you don't think it's not involved you must have no got very far into the game.

And as for the challenge comment, you might be able to handle it but again, you're probably about as good as any mediocre or passable WHM.  If you want to work twice as hard and be worse than me, it's your game, have fun!  Just don't try to pass yourself off as an incredible WHM and tell people macros aren't important because they really are.

I did play that game ya know? ^^;;;; I never missed a chain and I never pulled aggro lol, it's really pretty easy =P. I also did a lot of Utsumi tanking when I played but man that was a long time ago now that I think about it, I jumped ship to WoW about half a year after WoW came out. Rangers were actually good back then. ^^

PS: RDM is a lot better with macros lol, no question.



dahuman said:
ssj12 said:
Wagram said:
ssj12 said:

Dude seriously, my mom's laptop will run FFXIV and it was a $450 laptop. We all know laptop parts are shit compared to desktop parts and for $450 I could build a pretty decent desktop.


Yeah you can run it. But how well can you run it? On a 450 laptop your probably going to get a 1000 or less benchmark score which is bare bones with lag.


not true, I just installed my GTX480 and now have 6GBs of ram. Do you want to know how much of an improvement on the benchmark I gained? 40 points. My system scores a 2248 now. The benchmark is trash. Plain and simple. It tests nothing but CPU preformance with threading and does ia piss poor job at it since my CPU gets a P18990 running 3dMark Vantage which is a pretty good score.

As for the specs of my mom's laptop. 3GBs of ram, HD3xxx mobile (its mid-grade, just forget exact model), and an Athlon II CPU running at 2.1GHz. It can run FFXI easily and actually run Crysis on low (at like 25fps but still it runs it). I havent tested the system with 3dmark or anything else but if I was to guess what it would score CPU wise I'd place it maybe around P14000 which is 1000 points above my Athlon X2 4600 .

my friend, my CPU never went above 30% during those tests..... that thing is pretty video card heavy.....Wagram has almost the same setup that I do besides the video card and I kicked his ass by 700 points because I have a 5870 and he has a 5850, I think it's just that your CPU is too old at this point, I'll try running that benchmark on my 4400 MPC with a 3870 and update on the score when I get home so we can compare results.

My CPU is only a year and a hlaf old. Athlon X2 7750BE oced to 3.03GHz. My Athlon X2 isnt the old K8 processors. Its based of AMD's K10 series.



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ssj12 said:
dahuman said:
ssj12 said:
Wagram said:
ssj12 said:

Dude seriously, my mom's laptop will run FFXIV and it was a $450 laptop. We all know laptop parts are shit compared to desktop parts and for $450 I could build a pretty decent desktop.


Yeah you can run it. But how well can you run it? On a 450 laptop your probably going to get a 1000 or less benchmark score which is bare bones with lag.


not true, I just installed my GTX480 and now have 6GBs of ram. Do you want to know how much of an improvement on the benchmark I gained? 40 points. My system scores a 2248 now. The benchmark is trash. Plain and simple. It tests nothing but CPU preformance with threading and does ia piss poor job at it since my CPU gets a P18990 running 3dMark Vantage which is a pretty good score.

As for the specs of my mom's laptop. 3GBs of ram, HD3xxx mobile (its mid-grade, just forget exact model), and an Athlon II CPU running at 2.1GHz. It can run FFXI easily and actually run Crysis on low (at like 25fps but still it runs it). I havent tested the system with 3dmark or anything else but if I was to guess what it would score CPU wise I'd place it maybe around P14000 which is 1000 points above my Athlon X2 4600 .

my friend, my CPU never went above 30% during those tests..... that thing is pretty video card heavy.....Wagram has almost the same setup that I do besides the video card and I kicked his ass by 700 points because I have a 5870 and he has a 5850, I think it's just that your CPU is too old at this point, I'll try running that benchmark on my 4400 MPC with a 3870 and update on the score when I get home so we can compare results.

My CPU is only a year and a hlaf old. Athlon X2 7750BE oced to 3.03GHz. My Athlon X2 isnt the old K8 processors. Its based of AMD's K10 series.

lets hope I don't get close or higher than you then, cause then there is something wrong....



FFXI is a moneymaker for the publishers, not for microsoft. $117 million dollars came in last year from that game, very little of which MS saw because they didn't sell many discs and the subscription fees are paid directly to square enix. MS can get a little bit of money from live subscriptions but it's probably from people that would have xbl gold anyway. If 90 % of the profits are going to square enix, why should MS put in extra work?

IMO, if they want to expand their game to consoles, they need to do the legwork because the console developers see very little profit, and may even cause a drop in profits because people who play MMOs on average spend much less money on gaming (other than sub paid directly to publisher).