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FaRmLaNd on 31 July 2010
strunge said:
Scruff7 said:
strunge said:

atheism is fine, the ignorance of this thread is what is astounding.  if you believ in religion and God, you inherently can't find aethism valid.  nothing confusing about that. thus, the issue is clearly ignorance of what religion is at the heart of this thread. 

that's why aethists are so great, no matter how eloquent they can communicate, ultimately their position is based on ignorance, self righteousness and hypocrisy.

religion is fine, the ignorance of this thread is what is astounding.  if you believe in evolution and empirical evidence for existence, you inherently can't find religion valid.  nothing confusing about that. thus, the issue is clearly ignorance of what atheism is at the heart of this thread. 

that's why religious fundamentalists are so great, no matter how dogmatically they argue, ultimately their position is based on ignorance, self righteousness and hypocrisy.

 

See what i did there?

yes, and it is very sad that you think you have made some logical argument against my post. religion isn't based on ignorance, self righteousness of hypocrisy, it is based on faith.  Aetheists attempt to dispute the idea of depending on faith but inherently are depending on faith as well, because there is no scientific eveidence to validate their position as well.  see the hypocrisy of that position?  of course not, or you wouldn't have attempted that silly word shuffle.see the ignorance of that position?  of course not, for the same reaosn.  self righteousness?  of course you don't.

How sad.

Its absolutely not hypocrisy. The burden of proof is on the person saying something exists. Not on the person that disregards it. They don't have to prove anything. The theist does, and its not a faith based position to dismiss something that has no evidence supporting it.



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Farmageddon on 01 August 2010
pizzahut451 said:

In Matthew 10:1-15, cf. Luke 10:1-12, Jesus declares certain cities more damnable than Sodom and Gomorrah, due to their response to Jesus' disciples, in the light of greater grace (RSV):

"And if any one will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly, I say to you, it shall be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomor'rah than for that town."


Wait, you mean that if one of those guys comes to my home with a bibble under their arms and I don't listen to him, I'm worse (and worse off) than a slave trader, sodomiser, murderer rapist? Holy crap, thanks.



sapphi_snake on 01 August 2010
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
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Rath said:
pizzahut451 said:
 

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.

Have you read the old testament?!?

That God is all for smiting. Stoning is generally his preferred punishment. Adultery? Stone 'em. Disobedient children? Stone 'em. Homosexuality? Stone 'em.

 

This book is what is generally used to justify discrimination against homosexuality in all of the Abrahamic religions - including Christainity and Judaism.


Old Testament was before Jesus came to earth to set things straight...i dont need to say anything else. New Testament is much more important, since why its called ''New'', because of the new moral teachings that are are still ''vaild'' today (until we get Newer Testament) That doesnt mean that Old Testament is completly irrelevant of course.

And those people who got killed under God's command deserved their faith (Soddom and Gommorah, for example).

Did they really deserve to die?

Did Onan deserve to die because he didn't like serial monogamy?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan

Serial monogamy means marrying your brother's widow. Any child you have with your brother's widow is considered a child of your deceased brother. Onan refused to have children that would not be considered his own. That was no reason to be killed.

"no, they didnt. Sodom and Gommorah did. If you cant find a diffrence between gettining killed becuase you're a woman who mixes plants to cure people and getting killed for sodomy, lust and slavery than i suggest you shouldnt become a judge in the court of law"

This reply wasn't directed at me, but I personally don't find  "sodomy" and "lust" justifiable reasons to kill anyone. Hope I never meet a judge that thinks like you.

in my opinion, Lust and Sodomy arent justifiable reasons to kill anyone, but city where  rape, slavery,selling people like they are merchandise, lust and sodomy are allowed should definitely be destoyed

So you do believe that "lust" and "sodomy" are legitimate reasons to kill anyone?

Haven't you ever lusted after anybody? Haven't you ever had anal sex? If the answer to one or both those questions is "yes", than please sir behave according to you beleifs and punish yourself appropriately.


funny how you ignore the big reasons why Soddom and Gommorah were destroyed and focus on the minor ones, lol

The fact that those "minor reasons" are reasons at all is outrageous. And even the "big reasons" aren't reason enough to massacre people. If "slavery" and "selling people like they are merchandise" are valid reasons to commin massive genocide, than God forgot to destroy post Cvil War America.

In Matthew 10:1-15, cf. Luke 10:1-12, Jesus declares certain cities more damnable than Sodom and Gomorrah, due to their response to Jesus' disciples, in the light of greater grace (RSV):

"And if any one will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly, I say to you, it shall be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomor'rah than for that town."

Aha... so you're saying that not being interested in nonsense is worse than being a slave trader and a rapist?



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Scruff7 on 01 August 2010

One of the reasons may be that people are not willing to blindly believe in what they are told anymore.

Everyone now has the ability and the courage to ask questions and demand to see evidence before they decide what to believe.

I personally totally support this, we must be more willing to question the status quo, to seek evidence before setting our belief in something, and being flexible enough to change our opinions when new evidence comes to light.

There really isn't anything wrong in changing your mind once the picture becomes clearer.



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pizzahut451 on 01 August 2010
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
Rath said:
pizzahut451 said:
 

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.

Have you read the old testament?!?

That God is all for smiting. Stoning is generally his preferred punishment. Adultery? Stone 'em. Disobedient children? Stone 'em. Homosexuality? Stone 'em.

 

This book is what is generally used to justify discrimination against homosexuality in all of the Abrahamic religions - including Christainity and Judaism.


Old Testament was before Jesus came to earth to set things straight...i dont need to say anything else. New Testament is much more important, since why its called ''New'', because of the new moral teachings that are are still ''vaild'' today (until we get Newer Testament) That doesnt mean that Old Testament is completly irrelevant of course.

And those people who got killed under God's command deserved their faith (Soddom and Gommorah, for example).

Did they really deserve to die?

Did Onan deserve to die because he didn't like serial monogamy?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan

Serial monogamy means marrying your brother's widow. Any child you have with your brother's widow is considered a child of your deceased brother. Onan refused to have children that would not be considered his own. That was no reason to be killed.

"no, they didnt. Sodom and Gommorah did. If you cant find a diffrence between gettining killed becuase you're a woman who mixes plants to cure people and getting killed for sodomy, lust and slavery than i suggest you shouldnt become a judge in the court of law"

This reply wasn't directed at me, but I personally don't find  "sodomy" and "lust" justifiable reasons to kill anyone. Hope I never meet a judge that thinks like you.

in my opinion, Lust and Sodomy arent justifiable reasons to kill anyone, but city where  rape, slavery,selling people like they are merchandise, lust and sodomy are allowed should definitely be destoyed

So you do believe that "lust" and "sodomy" are legitimate reasons to kill anyone?

Haven't you ever lusted after anybody? Haven't you ever had anal sex? If the answer to one or both those questions is "yes", than please sir behave according to you beleifs and punish yourself appropriately.


funny how you ignore the big reasons why Soddom and Gommorah were destroyed and focus on the minor ones, lol

The fact that those "minor reasons" are reasons at all is outrageous. And even the "big reasons" aren't reason enough to massacre people. If "slavery" and "selling people like they are merchandise" are valid reasons to commin massive genocide, than God forgot to destroy post Cvil War America.

In Matthew 10:1-15, cf. Luke 10:1-12, Jesus declares certain cities more damnable than Sodom and Gomorrah, due to their response to Jesus' disciples, in the light of greater grace (RSV):

"And if any one will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly, I say to you, it shall be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomor'rah than for that town."

Aha... so you're saying that not being interested in nonsense is worse than being a slave trader and a rapist?

you missed the point. Its not about ''not being interested in nonsense''. I think its a metaphore. Have you read the whole story about Soddom and the man named Lot?



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sapphi_snake on 01 August 2010
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
Rath said:
pizzahut451 said:
 

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.

Have you read the old testament?!?

That God is all for smiting. Stoning is generally his preferred punishment. Adultery? Stone 'em. Disobedient children? Stone 'em. Homosexuality? Stone 'em.

 

This book is what is generally used to justify discrimination against homosexuality in all of the Abrahamic religions - including Christainity and Judaism.


Old Testament was before Jesus came to earth to set things straight...i dont need to say anything else. New Testament is much more important, since why its called ''New'', because of the new moral teachings that are are still ''vaild'' today (until we get Newer Testament) That doesnt mean that Old Testament is completly irrelevant of course.

And those people who got killed under God's command deserved their faith (Soddom and Gommorah, for example).

Did they really deserve to die?

Did Onan deserve to die because he didn't like serial monogamy?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan

Serial monogamy means marrying your brother's widow. Any child you have with your brother's widow is considered a child of your deceased brother. Onan refused to have children that would not be considered his own. That was no reason to be killed.

"no, they didnt. Sodom and Gommorah did. If you cant find a diffrence between gettining killed becuase you're a woman who mixes plants to cure people and getting killed for sodomy, lust and slavery than i suggest you shouldnt become a judge in the court of law"

This reply wasn't directed at me, but I personally don't find  "sodomy" and "lust" justifiable reasons to kill anyone. Hope I never meet a judge that thinks like you.

in my opinion, Lust and Sodomy arent justifiable reasons to kill anyone, but city where  rape, slavery,selling people like they are merchandise, lust and sodomy are allowed should definitely be destoyed

So you do believe that "lust" and "sodomy" are legitimate reasons to kill anyone?

Haven't you ever lusted after anybody? Haven't you ever had anal sex? If the answer to one or both those questions is "yes", than please sir behave according to you beleifs and punish yourself appropriately.


funny how you ignore the big reasons why Soddom and Gommorah were destroyed and focus on the minor ones, lol

The fact that those "minor reasons" are reasons at all is outrageous. And even the "big reasons" aren't reason enough to massacre people. If "slavery" and "selling people like they are merchandise" are valid reasons to commin massive genocide, than God forgot to destroy post Cvil War America.

In Matthew 10:1-15, cf. Luke 10:1-12, Jesus declares certain cities more damnable than Sodom and Gomorrah, due to their response to Jesus' disciples, in the light of greater grace (RSV):

"And if any one will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly, I say to you, it shall be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomor'rah than for that town."

Aha... so you're saying that not being interested in nonsense is worse than being a slave trader and a rapist?

you missed the point. Its not about ''not being interested in nonsense''. I think its a metaphore. Have you read the whole story about Soddom and the man named Lot?

Have to admit that I have not. We weren't told about it at mandatory christian indoctriantion... um I mean religious studies at school and religious mythology has never been the type of literature that interestes me.



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ManusJustus on 02 August 2010

Lets hope the trend continues.



dunno001 on 02 August 2010

Okay, guys, 2 things:

1. Can we trim the quote trees some? They're starting to get ridiculous in size; paging down 4 times to read one line (or even a paragraph) really isn't necessary.

2. I don't mind a debate, but let's not get into attacking other beliefs. A few posts seem to be a tad heated...



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S.T.A.G.E. on 02 August 2010
nightsurge said:
RageBot said:
kitler53 said:

i am atheist and i view it as my religion.  Now I agree Christians have been dicks about pushing their religion on others, but so have atheists.  Muslims too actually.

Basically, more than anything I believe in the freedom of religion and wish all side did as well.


So... Atheism is your religon?

What are your atheist rituals? Who is the higher-up in the Atheist church?

Religon isn't just believing, religon is a system, Atheists (like me) believe that there is no higher power, however, that is only a belief, nothing other than that.

Really?  No one forces me to go to church.  In fact I haven't been to church in ages.  Yet I still believe in my religion.  Religion does not require groups at all.  In fact it is probably best to practice religion by yourself and get your own unique experience and views from it.

At the same time, aetheists are now forming groups with higher-ups.  This article basically just stated that.  So even by your own definition Atheism is becoming a form of systematic religion.


Atheism isn't a religion, it is merely a belief. Just because some people speak up compared to others, doesn't mean others will stand with them. Atheism furnishes people the right to live their life how they want to without the demands of believing in a god. There are no rituals and there is no devotion. Those things are reserved for religion. I'm agnostic and even I do not have rituals.



NKAJ on 08 August 2010
pizzahut451 said:
NKAJ said:
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alekth said:

From European Values statistics 2008: http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/eb/eb69/eb69_values_en.pdf

"It should also be noted that 27% of respondents in Cyprus, 26% in Malta and 19% in Romania mentioned religion as one of the most important values for them personally, compared with 7% on average for the European Union."

Religion simply isn't widely encouraged in Europe. As sad as it is for it to be the last one standing, as far as Christianity goes, the Roman Catholic church will probably last the longest in terms of any real influence, and they've been working hard on alienating people as of lately.

''Love'' ''Peace'' ''Freedom'' ''Justice''...  I think you'll find that religion STANDS UP for all those things

Yes I'm quite sure all the persecuted gays agree with you on that one. To be fair,most religious books are a pick and mix affair with violence and peace,hate and love and so on...


its great that you judge religion based on some fanatics and that you take the stories from bible too literally ( the ones from old testament, which is btw irrelevant to most christians), nice job


a) I wasn't judging religion on a few fanatics.I was giving an example of how not all is merry about religion.Also i do have a valid point,there are quite a few countries where it is actually illegal to be a homosexual which is quite frankly absurd.The only "evidence" to support the outlawing of homosexuality is usually some religious book.

b) Sorry when did I take the stories from the bible literally? Even when i was a catholic I never seriously took all of the tales seriously.

c) Who says i was talking exclusively about christianity?

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.


No but the books often contain passages that are ambiguous enough for people to interpret the same passage very differently.Yes Religion does often promote those values,but as I said it is a pick and mix bag and you can also find areas filled with killing and such.

Just a little niggle,how do you know that God doesn't hate them?

because created them that way? They didnt choose to be gay, and there fro, being gay can not be sin


No sorry what i meant was: what evidence do you have that God doesn't hate them? I can see that this isnt going anyway though because inevitably you will say that the bible is your proof,at which point i leave . 



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