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jarrod on 03 July 2010
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
jarrod said:
Gilgamesh said:

Huh? I don't understand

Obviously there was going to be a big boost, do you think it's going to continue to sell over 200K or something?

Not to mention the Japan boost, after a couple weeks the X360 will be back to selling under 3K again, and the PS3 still has Others, it's just America. When things start leveling out again both will be selling on par.

PS3 still has a long way to go, lot's more price cuts, big games (it's biggest has yet to release) and move. The PS3 will beat the X360 in good time.

Don't be so sure about Japan... PS3 slim had a long term effect that's basically raised the baseline to 18-22k weekly (way up from about 10-14k weekly pre-slim).  I wouldn't be at all surprised to see 360 settle into a new higher baseline, say 6-10k weekly, similarly up from 3-5k.

i would be surprised. for xbox, nothing works in japan unfortunately.

It's already looking like it's going to sell triple Xbox 1.  Compare that to PS3, which will be lucky if it moves a third what PS2 did.  Working is relative...

Besides, something must be working, Namco just announced The Idolm@ster 2 as a 360 exclusive in spring 2011... I'm honestly a bit shocked it's not Wii or PS3? :/



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Serious_frusting on 03 July 2010
kowenicki said:
Serious_frusting said:

lol one week of ok 360 sales and the whole webset goes t pot.

 

This thread will look like a joke in a few weeks


why?

the most riduclous posts are the ones saying back to normal in 2 weeks..

 

I'm saying it because it is true



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huaxiong90 on 03 July 2010
Hyruken said:
thx1139 said:
DirtyP2002 said:

Do people expect GT5 to move 3 million consoles? I doubt there are three million people waiting to get a PS3 for one game. I know last gens sales of the GT franchise were huge, but is it the same this gen?

GT5p sold 3.78 million copies (bundled), which is definitely good, but not super awesome huge mega - like.
GT on PSP sold 1.3 million, which is not that good.

Racing games are not that popular anymore. Shooter seem to be the best selling genre on th HD consoles. Halo, Modern Warfare, Gears etc.

GT5 will be bundled as well, but I have my doubts it will move hardware as good as people think.

As a racing fan, I already had the chance to play dozens of Racing games. There are 5 Need for Speed games, 2 Forzas, 2 Test Drive Unlimiteds, 1 Race PRO, 2 PGRs, 2 DiRTs, GRID, Ridge Racer, 3 Moto GPs, 2 Nascar, 2 Burnouts, Blur, SpiltSecond and PURE - but that is not all.  I think most of the racing fans could have picked a console already.

I really think there are no huge system sellers left for this gen. Look, the 360 will be in its 6th year (!!!) soon. The PS3 will be in its 5th year soon. Both have HUGE libraries. One game won't make people to buy a system at this age.

 

 

This is the best post of this thread.  GT5 is just not going to do the sales that GT3 did when it comes to console sales.  It is a totally different environment. 

40 million PS3s already sold vs like 10 million.
GT3 showed the world what the PS2 could do. We already know what the PS3 can do.
GT5 has been selling PS3s for 5 years now and the GT fanatics (being fanatics) picked up a PS3 for GT5p.
So many racers with incredible visuals have already released the gen. Certainly pushing people wanting GT5 over the edge.

Software will sell great and PS3 will sell similiar to last year in November and December.



It makes no difference, they won't listen, and if you point it out you must be a Sony hater!!

Over the past few weeks i have realised that it is pointless to talk to these people. They actually believe GT5 will sell like 3m consoles in a couple of weeks on it's own. Like there is this giant swarm of people somewhere all sat at their PS2's counting down the day's until GT5 release so they can finally upgrade to the almost in it's 5th year PS3! Can you imagine that person? If they were die hard GT fans they must be sick to death of playing the same games over and over on their PS2, they must be rideculed by their friends for being so out of date! Those people would have to be well in their 20s due to GT3 being in 2001 (the best GT game). I am in my 20s. Majority of my friends who had a ps2 have bought a console this gen. My female friends who had a ps2 have a Wii.

I look forward to seeing the pics of these people coming out of their bunkers to see the sun for the first time in almost half a decade on their way to buy a ps3 and GT5, it will be very moving to see this group of people like a migrating heard head off across the savanna to their local game stores. That is if they can remember where it is as would be so long since they have been there! ;)

 

I'm not saying you guys are wrong, you could be right. But the problem is, you're arguing over theories. We won't have an answer until the game releases, and when that answer arrives, it's going to end in a very ugly meltdown, if this fighting keeps up.



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Hyruken on 03 July 2010
huaxiong90 said:
Hyruken said:
thx1139 said:
DirtyP2002 said:

Do people expect GT5 to move 3 million consoles? I doubt there are three million people waiting to get a PS3 for one game. I know last gens sales of the GT franchise were huge, but is it the same this gen?

GT5p sold 3.78 million copies (bundled), which is definitely good, but not super awesome huge mega - like.
GT on PSP sold 1.3 million, which is not that good.

Racing games are not that popular anymore. Shooter seem to be the best selling genre on th HD consoles. Halo, Modern Warfare, Gears etc.

GT5 will be bundled as well, but I have my doubts it will move hardware as good as people think.

As a racing fan, I already had the chance to play dozens of Racing games. There are 5 Need for Speed games, 2 Forzas, 2 Test Drive Unlimiteds, 1 Race PRO, 2 PGRs, 2 DiRTs, GRID, Ridge Racer, 3 Moto GPs, 2 Nascar, 2 Burnouts, Blur, SpiltSecond and PURE - but that is not all.  I think most of the racing fans could have picked a console already.

I really think there are no huge system sellers left for this gen. Look, the 360 will be in its 6th year (!!!) soon. The PS3 will be in its 5th year soon. Both have HUGE libraries. One game won't make people to buy a system at this age.

 

 

This is the best post of this thread.  GT5 is just not going to do the sales that GT3 did when it comes to console sales.  It is a totally different environment. 

40 million PS3s already sold vs like 10 million.
GT3 showed the world what the PS2 could do. We already know what the PS3 can do.
GT5 has been selling PS3s for 5 years now and the GT fanatics (being fanatics) picked up a PS3 for GT5p.
So many racers with incredible visuals have already released the gen. Certainly pushing people wanting GT5 over the edge.

Software will sell great and PS3 will sell similiar to last year in November and December.



It makes no difference, they won't listen, and if you point it out you must be a Sony hater!!

Over the past few weeks i have realised that it is pointless to talk to these people. They actually believe GT5 will sell like 3m consoles in a couple of weeks on it's own. Like there is this giant swarm of people somewhere all sat at their PS2's counting down the day's until GT5 release so they can finally upgrade to the almost in it's 5th year PS3! Can you imagine that person? If they were die hard GT fans they must be sick to death of playing the same games over and over on their PS2, they must be rideculed by their friends for being so out of date! Those people would have to be well in their 20s due to GT3 being in 2001 (the best GT game). I am in my 20s. Majority of my friends who had a ps2 have bought a console this gen. My female friends who had a ps2 have a Wii.

I look forward to seeing the pics of these people coming out of their bunkers to see the sun for the first time in almost half a decade on their way to buy a ps3 and GT5, it will be very moving to see this group of people like a migrating heard head off across the savanna to their local game stores. That is if they can remember where it is as would be so long since they have been there! ;)

 

I'm not saying you guys are wrong, you could be right. But the problem is, you're arguing over theories. We won't have an answer until the game releases, and when that answer arrives, it's going to end in a very ugly meltdown, if this fighting keeps up.


I wasen't talking about you dude just people in general.

It reminds me a bit of Downfall where Hitler is in his bunker, bombing all around him, ceeiling is falling apart, allies are all over Berlin. And he looks at his map and thinks a German army will appear from nowhere and save his bacon. While his generals give him the look of "er we have no army"!

It is simmilar as some people actually think there is this group out there somewhere! It just defies logic.

Because the main part of this belief is that they are Gran Turismo die hard fans. Fair enough. But to be a die hard fan of a game means you need a console to play that game on. Would those people really hide away for almost 5 years twiddling their thumbs waiting for the day GT5 is released so they can re-join the gaming world? A total and utter NO.

If these people are out there then they are gaming fans like the rest of us. GT5 will sell loads, but that doesn't mean console sales will be loads. It will have an effect, but it won't be any different to ones we have seen in the past with other games.



yo_john117 on 03 July 2010

LMAO!!!  The meltdowns in this thread are just excellent!

OT: We can't be 100% sure which console will come in second place as there are far far to many different possibilities to take into consideration.   Though IMO I think the 360 will stay in 2nd place for the remainder of this gen.



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tinybigman108 on 03 July 2010

who gives a flying f*ck i play games not sales.  i dont own stock in any of the 3 companies so i pretty much don't care if ps3 doesnt pass 360 i'll still get better exclusives for my ps3 than my 360 period.  those who care about sales of stupid piece of plastic are very sad imo. 

 

don't care what peoples response is going to be to my comment.



Linkasf on 03 July 2010

Tc, you're right.



yo_john117 on 03 July 2010
tinybigman108 said:

who gives a flying f*ck i play games not sales.  i dont own stock in any of the 3 companies so i pretty much don't care if ps3 doesnt pass 360 i'll still get better exclusives for my ps3 than my 360 period.  those who care about sales of stupid piece of plastic are very sad imo. 

 

don't care what peoples response is going to be to my comment.

That's totally objective.



Doobie_wop on 03 July 2010
Hyruken said:


I wasen't talking about you dude just people in general.

It reminds me a bit of Downfall where Hitler is in his bunker, bombing all around him, ceeiling is falling apart, allies are all over Berlin. And he looks at his map and thinks a German army will appear from nowhere and save his bacon. While his generals give him the look of "er we have no army"!

It is simmilar as some people actually think there is this group out there somewhere! It just defies logic.

Because the main part of this belief is that they are Gran Turismo die hard fans. Fair enough. But to be a die hard fan of a game means you need a console to play that game on. Would those people really hide away for almost 5 years twiddling their thumbs waiting for the day GT5 is released so they can re-join the gaming world? A total and utter NO.

If these people are out there then they are gaming fans like the rest of us. GT5 will sell loads, but that doesn't mean console sales will be loads. It will have an effect, but it won't be any different to ones we have seen in the past with other games.

My uncle doesn't have a PS3, my uncle also loves car games, my uncle has no clue what the hell a 'forza' is but he still love's car game's. My cousin has a Wii, his also a real estate agent with a nice house, a girlfriend and plenty of work on his hands, his 27 and he also loves car games. My grandma is 72, she still call's everything a playstation, she doesn't know much about video games but she has spent 10 year's of her life watching her grand children playing all of those 'playstations' in her lounge room.

You know what all those people have in common? They all know what Gran Turismo is in the same way that they know what Mario, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Crash Bandicoot is.

Gran Turismo is on a whole different level compared to other racing games, the people we call 'casuals' could probably recognise the name Gran Turismo. The only other racing franchises that matches that sort of recognition is Mario Kart and maybe Need for Speed. When I mention that a new Gran Turismo is being released when I'm at work, everyone, no matter the age, know's what I'm talking about.

If Sony markets GT5 like I'm hoping they will, then maybe all those people who aren't 'hardcore gamers' that played a Gran Turismo in the past will see the ad and be like 'Oh, wow, I remember how much I liked that game, maybe I'll pick up a PS3'.

Anyway, that's my history with GT, nearly everyone I've met and mentioned GT to, know's what the game is and that's a franchise recognition that sell's consoles. You have to remember that not everyone is a hardcore gamer, those 2 million people that bought Battlefield: Bad Company 2 or Fallout 3, they are the limits of the hardcore audience buying power. A game like Forza can stretch it, but only a few ever break out. That's my take anyway and maybe my experience is different to everyone else's. 



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HKN on 03 July 2010

Once the PS3 hits $199 it will fly past the 360.