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thismeintiel on 02 July 2010
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
thismeintiel said:
Hyruken said:
thismeintiel said:

@ Hyruken

I gave up reading your post when you said that MS had basically done nothing when and since the PS3 Slim launch.  You do realise that the 360 Elite got a $100 price-cut right along the PS3, right?  The Pro also got a $50 price-cut to clear out stock.  So, you had a $199 Arcade, a $249 Pro, and a $299 Elite.  And yet, it wasn't able to beat out a system who's lowest entry price was $299.  So, I'll ask you the same thing I asked in the previous paragraph.  What do you think is going to happen when the PS3 hits $199?  Heck, even $249?


And look who it is....

Firstly your 100% right about the cuts. So what were the price of the elites before the massive $50 drop? Also in your analysis of the figures you forgot to mention a pretty big price change, the Arcade was given a £30 ($45) INCREASE. Why did you forget to mention that bit i wonder.....

As for the rest of what you said nostradamus when will we be seeing this $100 price cut you claim? Or to put that into some numbers for you that is 33% off of the current price. Seeing as Sony themselves only a few weeks ago said they have finally made profit on each PS3 do you really think they would give up 1/3 of the money they get from each PS3?

Do anyone else agree with him that there will be a $199 ps3 anytime soon?

Until that happens we will never know so i can't say. I imagine it would go on to do very well just like it has since it's last price cut. But it won't happen anytime soon, in that time the 360 will be increasing it's lead over the PS3. I think it is that point you seemed to have missed. maybe you should have read the rest of it rather then once more going on one of your little crusades :)

Yes, it is I...

Anyway, the Elite was dropped $100 dollars before the launch of the PS3 Slim.  From $399 to $299.  And yes, the Arcade was increased in the UK, but in America (it's strongest region) there was no such increase.  It remained $199.

I expect the PS3 $199 price no earlier than Holiday Season '11, but more likely in Holiday Season '12.  However, another big cut to $249 will most likely be announced at next year's E3.  You see, Sony still has the price card to play.  But, if MS Slim and Kinect fail to bring about long-term sales bumps (which I don't believe they will outside of America), then they have no more cards to play.  Not to mention what GT5 is going to do to sales in EMEAA.

And I will continue to crusade for as long as I continue to breathe. 



Sony will wait to the last possible minute to make that price drop. mainly to see what MS price drop will be.

I'm not so sure about that.  Last time it was MS reacting to Sony's price-cut.  I think as soon as it is profitable at that price, or when they are barely losing any money (and I'm talking about a few bucks they'll make up with 1 game/controller purchase) with the cut, we will see Sony drop the PS3 to $249.  I think from now to E3 of '11 would be a reasonable time frame to make this happen.  And who knows, they may announce a small cut to $279 in time for the holidays.  I don't think it's very likely, but I wouldn't rule anything out.



 

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jarrod on 02 July 2010
Carl2291 said:

We will see.

We don't know how long the boost will last, we don't know what Kinect will do, we dont know what Sony have planned to reach that 15 Million or whatever it is.


What could they have planned?   We know about Move, 3D and the majority of their Q2-4 lineup (Killzone 3, GT5, LBP2, SOCOM4, inFamous 2, etc), what else could there be?  A price drop?

I think SCE was overestimating their momentum going into the year...  Q1/2 should be up quite a bit, but Q3/4 are going to be down dramatically.



luvtospooge on 02 July 2010
Mr Puggsly said:
luvtospooge said:
Mr Puggsly said:
luvtospooge said:
nightsurge said:
luvtospooge said:
selnor said:

Yeah it is over for 2nd place for PS3.

But lets be honest. Sony made a damn good attempt. 

There just isn't an answer to Kinect and 360s. Especially considering 360s is the same price as PS3 Slim. And it would appear that it's the 360s selling and not the pricecut models due to rise in availability and rise in sales of 360. 

EU numbers should be awesome to on July 17th week.

My city is into taking preorders for the 2nd shipment. As the first is all preordered up.


Price cut and GT5. Fair enough as an answer?

PS3 won't be getting a price cut.  360 might, though.

360 already got a price cut of 50$, didn't it? Agreed, the chances that the ps3 will get a price cut are slim but there are still GT5 and Move.

I thought people learn from their mistakes...2008,2009 and now 2010. I'm hearing the word "Doomed" too often. People should think twice before typing that word.

No, that's not a price cut. Those old consoles will be gone very soon. When the Holidays come we'll only see a $300 and $200 console.

GT5 should be big for PS3... whenever that game actually gets released. I'm not expecting much for the Move. Its a $100 bucks for the starter kit, you still need the navigation control, some games require two Move controllers, and the software seems crappy so far. Its unlikely the Move will sell many consoles and its a hell of a lot cheaper to just get a Wii.

Well if natal's price point is higher than 120$, I don't see it having much as an impact as other make it seem to be.

Natal's success depends on it's price.

Well the complete Move experience will run about $130 (starter kit and navigation control). Multiplayer will cost you much extra. Worst of all, its a glorified Wiimote.

The Natal is innovative technology with new potential and supports multiplayer on a single device. It'll be a success even at $150, but I imagine the real price will be around $100 to $120.

Don't know much about Move but do you really need a navigation control? I thought you could just use the normal controller as the navigation control.

The starter kit and the controller is 80$ right? People will buy the cheapest out of the two, no matter how more the other one will offer (reminiscence of X360 vs Ps3 launch). I am starting to think that parts of this generation keep repeating itself.



MARCUSDJACKSON on 02 July 2010
thismeintiel said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
thismeintiel said:
Hyruken said:
thismeintiel said:

@ Hyruken

I gave up reading your post when you said that MS had basically done nothing when and since the PS3 Slim launch.  You do realise that the 360 Elite got a $100 price-cut right along the PS3, right?  The Pro also got a $50 price-cut to clear out stock.  So, you had a $199 Arcade, a $249 Pro, and a $299 Elite.  And yet, it wasn't able to beat out a system who's lowest entry price was $299.  So, I'll ask you the same thing I asked in the previous paragraph.  What do you think is going to happen when the PS3 hits $199?  Heck, even $249?


And look who it is....

Firstly your 100% right about the cuts. So what were the price of the elites before the massive $50 drop? Also in your analysis of the figures you forgot to mention a pretty big price change, the Arcade was given a £30 ($45) INCREASE. Why did you forget to mention that bit i wonder.....

As for the rest of what you said nostradamus when will we be seeing this $100 price cut you claim? Or to put that into some numbers for you that is 33% off of the current price. Seeing as Sony themselves only a few weeks ago said they have finally made profit on each PS3 do you really think they would give up 1/3 of the money they get from each PS3?

Do anyone else agree with him that there will be a $199 ps3 anytime soon?

Until that happens we will never know so i can't say. I imagine it would go on to do very well just like it has since it's last price cut. But it won't happen anytime soon, in that time the 360 will be increasing it's lead over the PS3. I think it is that point you seemed to have missed. maybe you should have read the rest of it rather then once more going on one of your little crusades :)

Yes, it is I...

Anyway, the Elite was dropped $100 dollars before the launch of the PS3 Slim.  From $399 to $299.  And yes, the Arcade was increased in the UK, but in America (it's strongest region) there was no such increase.  It remained $199.

I expect the PS3 $199 price no earlier than Holiday Season '11, but more likely in Holiday Season '12.  However, another big cut to $249 will most likely be announced at next year's E3.  You see, Sony still has the price card to play.  But, if MS Slim and Kinect fail to bring about long-term sales bumps (which I don't believe they will outside of America), then they have no more cards to play.  Not to mention what GT5 is going to do to sales in EMEAA.

And I will continue to crusade for as long as I continue to breathe. 



Sony will wait to the last possible minute to make that price drop. mainly to see what MS price drop will be.

I'm not so sure about that.  Last time it was MS reacting to Sony's price-cut.  I think as soon as it is profitable at that price, or when they are barely losing any money (and I'm talking about a few bucks they'll make up with 1 game/controller purchase) with the cut, we will see Sony drop the PS3 to $249.  I think from now to E3 of '11 would be a reasonable time frame to make this happen.  And who knows, they may announce a small cut to $279 in time for the holidays.  I don't think it's very likely, but I wouldn't rule anything out.


i see you and raise you a they will need to do better then a $50.00 price drop, but i think your spot on with everything else.



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*Sound Of Rain on 02 July 2010

It all depends on how long this gen lasts... If it goes on until 2015 like both Sony and Microsoft have said than I honestly see the P.S.3 outselling the 360.. I just find it strange that the P.S.1 and P.S.2 DESTROYED in there gens and now P.S.3 is in last...I think it will outsell it in all regions but America in the end but I honestly see P.S.3 start to outsell 360 even in America weekly sometime.



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MARCUSDJACKSON on 02 July 2010
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:

We will see.

We don't know how long the boost will last, we don't know what Kinect will do, we dont know what Sony have planned to reach that 15 Million or whatever it is.


What could they have planned?   We know about Move, 3D and the majority of their Q2-4 lineup (Killzone 3, GT5, LBP2, SOCOM4, inFamous 2, etc), what else could there be?  A price drop?

I think SCE was overestimating their momentum going into the year...  Q1/2 should be up quite a bit, but Q3/4 are going to be down dramatically.



i'm split on this one.

both of you explain!



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chriscox1121 on 02 July 2010

PS3 won't overtake the 360 by the time the new boxes comes out.  They could do it LTD, because I could definitely see MS abandon the 360 and Sony sticking with the PS3 alot longer.  I say Nintendo shows off their new box at e3 in 2012 e3 and sells it in Christmas 2013.....just a guess




MARCUSDJACKSON on 02 July 2010
chriscox1121 said:

PS3 won't overtake the 360 by the time the new boxes comes out.  They could do it LTD, because I could definitely see MS abandon the 360 and Sony sticking with the PS3 alot longer.  I say Nintendo shows off their new box at e3 in 2013



its very likely, but if sells look to reach 7 to 10m in 2013 they'll atlease give wii another yr. we both know they will milke Wii until its dry.



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Jordahn on 02 July 2010
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:

We will see.

We don't know how long the boost will last, we don't know what Kinect will do, we dont know what Sony have planned to reach that 15 Million or whatever it is.


What could they have planned?   We know about Move, 3D and the majority of their Q2-4 lineup (Killzone 3, GT5, LBP2, SOCOM4, inFamous 2, etc), what else could there be?  A price drop?

I think SCE was overestimating their momentum going into the year...  Q1/2 should be up quite a bit, but Q3/4 are going to be down dramatically.


So.  Just because we know about these things doesn't mean that everyone who wants a PS3 for them have already gone out to buy one.



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hiroko on 02 July 2010

 even thou i'am a sony fanboy i do respect mic for  their x360 s sales.

a ps3 that cost 299 have a bigger impact then the x360 slim.

however what would happen if next years ps3 again got to 199? whay is mic going to do then? make the x360 100euro? i dont even think thats enough.

 

whatever the outcome is.

1 thing is a fact.

sony ps3 gamers  dont get dissapointed with only 5 ex games each year but with dozens!



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