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"Very little is known about why evolution (nature god)
has selected the protein sequences it has
from a vast number of possibilities."

http://www.mcdb.lsa.umich.edu/labs/bardwell/files/publications/evolving.pdf

 Interesting. The evolution god does seem to work in mysterious ways. I hope they know more about developing drugs than  protein evolution.



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Smidlee said:

 

"Very little is known about why evolution (nature god)
has selected the protein sequences it has
from a vast number of possibilities."

http://www.mcdb.lsa.umich.edu/labs/bardwell/files/publications/evolving.pdf

 Interesting. The evolution god does seem to work in mysterious ways. I hope they know more about developing drugs than  protein evolution.

About two paragraphs later.

"In this issue of Molecular Cell, Foit et al. (2009) have created a very interesting genetic selection-based approach to understand protein stability in the cell."

I think that you misunderstand science. It's a process. Scientists don't start off with an answer, they find it. Just because one paper says something ambiguously related to certain areas of evolution being complicated, or "mysterious", doesn't mean you can take it out of context.

These people did say that the selection of protein sequences are an area where knowledge is lacking, but they are also looking to explain the mechanics better.

No scientist would ever say we know 100% of everything on a certain subject, evolution being one of them.



Smidlee said:

 

"Very little is known about why evolution (nature god)
has selected the protein sequences it has
from a vast number of possibilities."

http://www.mcdb.lsa.umich.edu/labs/bardwell/files/publications/evolving.pdf

 Interesting. The evolution god does seem to work in mysterious ways. I hope they know more about developing drugs than  protein evolution.

Boy do you like to take things out of context. Short answer reply's and comments made out of context do not make a successful argument. Nowhere does it use the term 'evolution god'. Evolution optimises protein sequences through time, there is no evidence of anything further.

Scientists work with the evidence available to try to understand the world. The whole point of science is to enhance our understanding of the world around us using evidence based, peer-reviewed research, not make assumptions such as an 'evoltuion god'. In this article for instance, it fully acknowledges current areas of ignorance whilst trying to present current theories in a short preview article.



highwaystar101 said:
Smidlee said:

 

"Very little is known about why evolution (nature god)
has selected the protein sequences it has
from a vast number of possibilities."

http://www.mcdb.lsa.umich.edu/labs/bardwell/files/publications/evolving.pdf

 Interesting. The evolution god does seem to work in mysterious ways. I hope they know more about developing drugs than  protein evolution.

About two paragraphs later.

"In this issue of Molecular Cell, Foit et al. (2009) have created a very interesting genetic selection-based approach to understand protein stability in the cell."

I think that you misunderstand science. It's a process. Scientists don't start off with an answer, they find it. Just because one paper says something ambiguously related to certain areas of evolution being complicated, or "mysterious", doesn't mean you can take it out of context.

These people did say that the selection of protein sequences are an area where knowledge is lacking, but they are also looking to explain the mechanics better.

No scientist would ever say we know 100% of everything on a certain subject, evolution being one of them.

 
No I didn't misunderstand science  (science is done by man) yet it obvious they haven't figure out enough about protein development and folding to be dogmatic about it. I do believe with time we will understand more about proteins  not neccesary the evolution story telling.

 I added god since it fits ,  sometimes "evolution" is nothing but a nature god. 

 P.S I don't rejected the whole article when it comes to science. Often I find can put out evolution totally out of an article without touching the science within.



Smidlee said:
highwaystar101 said:
Smidlee said:

 

"Very little is known about why evolution (nature god)
has selected the protein sequences it has
from a vast number of possibilities."

http://www.mcdb.lsa.umich.edu/labs/bardwell/files/publications/evolving.pdf

 Interesting. The evolution god does seem to work in mysterious ways. I hope they know more about developing drugs than  protein evolution.

About two paragraphs later.

"In this issue of Molecular Cell, Foit et al. (2009) have created a very interesting genetic selection-based approach to understand protein stability in the cell."

I think that you misunderstand science. It's a process. Scientists don't start off with an answer, they find it. Just because one paper says something ambiguously related to certain areas of evolution being complicated, or "mysterious", doesn't mean you can take it out of context.

These people did say that the selection of protein sequences are an area where knowledge is lacking, but they are also looking to explain the mechanics better.

No scientist would ever say we know 100% of everything on a certain subject, evolution being one of them.

 
No I didn't misunderstand science  (science is done by man) yet it obvious they haven't figure out enough about protein development and folding to be dogmatic about it. I do believe with time we will understand more about proteins  not neccesary the evolution story telling.

 I added god since it fits ,  sometimes "evolution"   is nothing but a nature god. 

I don't think you'll find anyone who'll give you a protein folding dogma. It's a very complicated process and at present is studied on a protein to protein basis.



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Scoobes said:
Smidlee said:
highwaystar101 said:
Smidlee said:

 

"Very little is known about why evolution (nature god)
has selected the protein sequences it has
from a vast number of possibilities."

http://www.mcdb.lsa.umich.edu/labs/bardwell/files/publications/evolving.pdf

 Interesting. The evolution god does seem to work in mysterious ways. I hope they know more about developing drugs than  protein evolution.

About two paragraphs later.

"In this issue of Molecular Cell, Foit et al. (2009) have created a very interesting genetic selection-based approach to understand protein stability in the cell."

I think that you misunderstand science. It's a process. Scientists don't start off with an answer, they find it. Just because one paper says something ambiguously related to certain areas of evolution being complicated, or "mysterious", doesn't mean you can take it out of context.

These people did say that the selection of protein sequences are an area where knowledge is lacking, but they are also looking to explain the mechanics better.

No scientist would ever say we know 100% of everything on a certain subject, evolution being one of them.

 
No I didn't misunderstand science  (science is done by man) yet it obvious they haven't figure out enough about protein development and folding to be dogmatic about it. I do believe with time we will understand more about proteins  not neccesary the evolution story telling.

 I added god since it fits ,  sometimes "evolution"   is nothing but a nature god. 

I don't think you'll find anyone who'll give you a protein folding dogma. It's a very complicated process and at present is studied on a protein to protein basis.


Protein folding is not the dogma I referring to and I think you know it. I see nothing wrong being dogmatic that H2O is water.



sapphi_snake said:

Do we really need another thread on this topic?


This.

These threads never go well.



Smidlee said:
Scoobes said:
Smidlee said:

 
No I didn't misunderstand science  (science is done by man) yet it obvious they haven't figure out enough about protein development and folding to be dogmatic about it. I do believe with time we will understand more about proteins  not neccesary the evolution story telling.

 I added god since it fits ,  sometimes "evolution"   is nothing but a nature god. 

I don't think you'll find anyone who'll give you a protein folding dogma. It's a very complicated process and at present is studied on a protein to protein basis.


Protein folding is not the dogma I referring to and I think you know it. I see nothing wrong being dogmatic that H2O is water.


See underlined. What exactly am I to think when you write phrases like that? What exactly is the dogma you're reffering to?



you need to check the mathematical statistics discussed by Dr Hugh Ross and others who state clearly the earth is simply not old enough for life to have evolved in the time spans we talk about. The other challenge now is that even non believers in creation are doubting the previous models. Problem is this - from nothing comes nothing. End of argument. The point is this -

  1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
  2. The universe began to exist.
  3. Therefore, the universe has a cause.
The universe cannot simply "cause" itself  - physics says that is impossible. So what do we do? Do we instead reach for ridiculous multiverse theories because we are too stuborn to consider the many arguments such as cause, fine tuning, moral values that a creator would answer?
It really is up to each of us to consider these deep questions. We can throw theories at each other or we can decide to examine the world, the arguments and look inside and see what we feel. Athiesm simply means anything we do accounts for nothing. The great art, music and writings of our history mean nothing. Our lives mean nothing because when we die and this blue marble we live on expires - no one will care. I cannot accept that. The many reasons and facts of fine tuning cause me to explore what science cannot explain.


I had no idea that the existence of evolution was even up for discussion. Of course it exists.

I don't seriously believe there are people who honestly think it's not real and some god made the world and the universe, and mankind right along with it. Deep down everyone knows evolution is real, I mean come on. XD



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