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Krugman: Spend Now, Save Later

June 21, 2010, 8:20 am

From Paul Krugman on The New York Times Op-Ed Page

Spend now, while the economy remains depressed; save later, once it has recovered. How hard is that to understand?

Very hard, if the current state of political debate is any indication. All around the world, politicians seem determined to do the reverse. They’re eager to shortchange the economy when it needs help, even as they balk at dealing with long-run budget problems. 

But maybe a clear explanation of the issues can change some minds. So let’s talk about the long and the short of budget deficits. I’ll focus on the U.S. position, but a similar story can be told for other nations.

At the moment, as you may have noticed, the U.S. government is running a large budget deficit. Much of this deficit, however, is the result of the continuing economic crisis, which has depressed revenue and required extraordinary expenditures to rescue the financial system. As the crisis abates, things will improve. The Congressional Budget Office, in its analysis of President Obama’s budget proposals, predicts that economic recovery will reduce the annual budget deficit from about 10 percent of G.D.P. this year to about 4 percent of G.D.P. in 2014.

Unfortunately, that’s not enough. Even if the government’s annual borrowing were to stabilize at 4 percent of G.D.P., its total debt would continue to grow faster than its revenue. Furthermore, the budget office predicts that after bottoming out in 2014, the deficit will start rising again, largely because of rising health care costs.

So America has a long-run budget problem. Dealing with this problem will require, first and foremost, a real effort to bring health costs under control — without that, nothing will work. It will also require finding additional revenue and/or spending cuts. As an economic matter, this shouldn’t be hard — in particular, a modest value-added tax, say at a 5 percent rate, would go a long way toward closing the gap, while leaving overall U.S. taxes among the lowest in the advanced world.

But if we need to raise taxes and cut spending eventually, shouldn’t we start now? No, we shouldn’t.

Right now, we have a severely depressed economy — and that depressed economy is inflicting long-run damage. Every year that goes by with extremely high unemployment increases the chance that many of the long-term unemployed will never come back to the work force, and become a permanent underclass. Every year that there are five times as many people seeking work as there are job openings means that hundreds of thousands of Americans graduating from school are denied the chance to get started on their working lives. And with each passing month we drift closer to a Japanese-style deflationary trap.

Penny-pinching at a time like this isn’t just cruel; it endangers the nation’s future. And it doesn’t even do much to reduce our future debt burden, because stinting on spending now threatens the economic recovery, and with it the hope for rising revenue.

So now is not the time for fiscal austerity. How will we know when that time has come? The answer is that the budget deficit should become a priority when, and only when, the Federal Reserve has regained some traction over the economy, so that it can offset the negative effects of tax increases and spending cuts by reducing interest rates.

Currently, the Fed can’t do that, because the interest rates it can control are near zero, and can’t go any lower. Eventually, however, as unemployment falls — probably when it goes below 7 percent or less — the Fed will want to raise rates to head off possible inflation. At that point we can make a deal: the government starts cutting back, and the Fed holds off on rate hikes so that these cutbacks don’t tip the economy back into a slump.

But the time for such a deal is a long way off — probably two years or more. The responsible thing, then, is to spend now, while planning to save later.

As I said, many politicians seem determined to do the reverse. Many members of Congress, in particular, oppose aid to the long-term unemployed, let alone to hard-pressed state and local governments, on the grounds that we can’t afford it. In so doing, they are undermining spending at a time when we really need it, and endangering the recovery. Yet efforts to control health costs were met with cries of “death panels.”

And some of the most vocal deficit scolds in Congress are working hard to reduce taxes for the handful of lucky Americans who are heirs to multimillion-dollar estates. This would do nothing for the economy now, but it would reduce revenue by billions of dollars a year, permanently.

But some politicians must be sincere about being fiscally responsible. And to them I say, please get your timing right. Yes, we need to fix our long-run budget problems — but not by refusing to help our economy in its hour of need.

http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/21/krugman-spend-now-save-later/?scp=6&sq=krugman&st=cse

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http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/19/the-facts-have-a-well-known-keynesian-bias/?scp=2&sq=krugman&st=cse

The Facts Have A Well-Known Keynesian Bias

There are many things to say about Alan Greenspan’s op-ed yesterday, none of them complimentary. But what struck me is the passage highlighted by Tim Fernholz:

Despite the surge in federal debt to the public during the past 18 months—to $8.6 trillion from $5.5 trillion—inflation and long-term interest rates, the typical symptoms of fiscal excess, have remained remarkably subdued. This is regrettable, because it is fostering a sense of complacency that can have dire consequences.

You know, some people might take the fact that what’s actually happening is exactly what people like me were saying would happen — namely, that deficits in the face of a liquidity trap don’t drive up interest rates and don’t cause inflation — lends credence to the Keynesian view. But no: Greenspan KNOWS that deficits do these terrible things, and finds it “regrettable” that they aren’t actually happening.

The triumph of prejudices over the evidence is a wondrous thing to behold. Unfortunately, millions of workers will pay the price for that triumph.

 

I remember talking with one of my college aquaintences on Facebook, and hearing him talking about how interest rates go up due to crowding out (Baisicly demand for loanable funds shifts right, or "goes up", due to the government borrowing more to finance defeceit spending. As you guys know when demand goes up, price, or in this case, interest rate, goes up). But he didn't reply when I asked him what the interest rates was now.



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He must be thinking the hole world is full of idiots.

F**k you Krugman!



 

 

"In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value..."

 

Alan Greenspan, 1967

Phobos said:

He must be thinking the hole world is full of idiots.

F**k you Krugman!


That's not a constructive post... please explain why you disagree.



It's pretty surreal to watch Krugman throw away all his credibility as an economist on account of his partisanship. When the debt and deficits were much smaller, he went into hysterics and got a fixed-rate mortgage because the sky was falling. But that was when evil old Chimpy "Dumbya" McHitlerburton was president. Just like Jesus turned water into wine, Obama has turned bad debt into good, at least in Krugman's eyes.

Here's a couple of funny (and by "funny" I mean "sad" but also "compelling in the way that watching someone's spiraling descent into madness usually is") Krugman vs. Krugman pieces:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/20/AR2007112001651.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703915204575103720332317434.html



sounds interesting, nice to hear something different for once.



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while im here:

I think the best way to get out of this crisis is to focus on higher taxes for the rich, the money that raises can be used to both pay down the defecit, and to invest in areas that can create jobs, it would also allow nations to keep there public services strong, which is essentail when times are hard and many people rely upon them.

y'all can hate on me now, im past the point of caring tbh...



badgenome said:

It's pretty surreal to watch Krugman throw away all his credibility as an economist on account of his partisanship. When the debt and deficits were much smaller, he went into hysterics and got a fixed-rate mortgage because the sky was falling. But that was when evil old Chimpy "Dumbya" McHitlerburton was president. Just like Jesus turned water into wine, Obama has turned bad debt into good, at least in Krugman's eyes.

Here's a couple of funny (and by "funny" I mean "sad" but also "compelling in the way that watching someone's spiraling descent into madness usually is") Krugman vs. Krugman pieces:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/20/AR2007112001651.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703915204575103720332317434.html

Do you have anything to say at the article at hand, rather than the man who wrote it and his past articles?



Akvod said:
badgenome said:

It's pretty surreal to watch Krugman throw away all his credibility as an economist on account of his partisanship. When the debt and deficits were much smaller, he went into hysterics and got a fixed-rate mortgage because the sky was falling. But that was when evil old Chimpy "Dumbya" McHitlerburton was president. Just like Jesus turned water into wine, Obama has turned bad debt into good, at least in Krugman's eyes.

Here's a couple of funny (and by "funny" I mean "sad" but also "compelling in the way that watching someone's spiraling descent into madness usually is") Krugman vs. Krugman pieces:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/20/AR2007112001651.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703915204575103720332317434.html

Do you have anything to say at the article at hand, rather than the man who wrote it and his past articles?

Sure. That very last line - The triumph of prejudices over the evidence is a wondrous thing to behold. Unfortunately, millions of workers will pay the price for that triumph - is a beauty. I agree with it wholeheartedly. Too bad it doesn't mean what he thinks it means.



Quicq questions:

How come the economy is in this bad shape although everyone was spending like crazy for like a gazilion years before the crisys, and nobody saved nothing?

How will trying to spend more now that there is less will help when spending all of it when there was lots lead to now?



I just don't agree with this kind of deficit spending. I think we do the right thing, take a hit now, and recover. Trying to spend our way out will just make it last longer.