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While its a very smart idea to add the anti-overheat feature, it still is stupid to create the possible scenario in the first place.

It really isnt' that hard. You know the temps possible from the system and what the components can handle. From there you devise a way to absolutely be certain it cannot overheat under normal operating conditions.

Since a great abundance of homes use entertainment centers, I would think a shelf that is mostly closed should be considered a normal operating condition.

My Wii, Onkyo AV reciever, and Cable box operate without any heat issues with my glass doors closed on my center. However, when I play PS3 games and even movies, I have to keep the door open to keep the PS3 from kicking into high gear.

That's stupid. High end components or not; my setup is not unique by a long shot.



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selnor said:
BMaker11 said:

So basically.....it knows it's going to have problems so it nips it in the bud before it has a chance to become anything bad. Sounds great on paper. But what if I have a legitimately broken 360, and it just keeps turning off to prevent overheating. It's essentially RRoD right? What do you do when that little loop possibly happens?

I'm not trying to knock the feature, it's sounds good. But I doubt that all the RRoD problems of years old could've been resolved by simply turning off your Xbox mid-play. Hell (anecdote here), my friend's 360 red ringed when he turned it on like 3 or 4 days after we played CoD4. Plenty of time to cool down right?

I think what may have happened is your friends old 360 went beyond the correct temp during play. When you switched it off, the solder cracked while cooling. 

Hopefully this new design by M$ is designed to switch off the 360 before it gets to a severe temp. Maybe if it reaches 5 degrees over what M$ say is a good temp for the unit then it shuts down.

Likely this would appear during a hot day and long play.

That's what very well could have happen. But, and LOL here, I told him that *that* 360 was going to Red Ring soon. Why? Because when he bought it, it was a used *Premium* not Pro 360. He saw it at Fry's Electronics for like $179 in 2008 I believe?  I told him about failure rates and whatever, but he was all "nah, you just want me to get a PS3", and I said NO, the least you should do is a get a newer model Arcade. May not have a HDD but it won't die. 

Year later, his died. His fault, I told him to listen to me. He took it out to the range and shot it up because it was out of warranty because it was a 2005 model and died in 2009



LoveGenie said:

Lmao M$ still having trouble with ventilation and heat problems. Good stuff.


lol...I think you missed the point.



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superchunk said:

While its a very smart idea to add the anti-overheat feature, it still is stupid to create the possible scenario in the first place.

It really isnt' that hard. You know the temps possible from the system and what the components can handle. From there you devise a way to absolutely be certain it cannot overheat under normal operating conditions.

Since a great abundance of homes use entertainment centers, I would think a shelf that is mostly closed should be considered a normal operating condition.

My Wii, Onkyo AV reciever, and Cable box operate without any heat issues with my glass doors closed on my center. However, when I play PS3 games and even movies, I have to keep the door open to keep the PS3 from kicking into high gear.

That's stupid. High end components or not; my setup is not unique by a long shot.


Every console can overheat. I'm not sure if the other consoles shut down to protect themselves, but your computer probably does, and now the Xbox 360 does as well. Point is, all consoles should have this feature, just like nearly all computers have. Any console, smart phone, television, computer, ect, has the potential to overheat and cause damage to your components. By setting a safe operating temperature limit, you save a console from any long term damage caused by an individual heating incident. The only issues left are issues caused by lower temperature heats causing damage over time, which is a problem with all electronics.

This also proves that the post the other day with the guy posting his video issue wasn't caused by heat.

It also proves that MS has attempted to address overheating issues with this console, and given you a seatbelt as it were, which can save consoles from improper installation.

It's fucking awesome, and every console should have it and WILL have it next gen, no matter what you think of Microsoft.



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It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

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ZenfoldorVGI said:
superchunk said:

While its a very smart idea to add the anti-overheat feature, it still is stupid to create the possible scenario in the first place.

It really isnt' that hard. You know the temps possible from the system and what the components can handle. From there you devise a way to absolutely be certain it cannot overheat under normal operating conditions.

Since a great abundance of homes use entertainment centers, I would think a shelf that is mostly closed should be considered a normal operating condition.

My Wii, Onkyo AV reciever, and Cable box operate without any heat issues with my glass doors closed on my center. However, when I play PS3 games and even movies, I have to keep the door open to keep the PS3 from kicking into high gear.

That's stupid. High end components or not; my setup is not unique by a long shot.


Every console can overheat. I'm not sure if the other consoles shut down to protect themselves, but your computer probably does, and now the Xbox 360 does as well. Point is, all consoles should have this feature, just like nearly all computers have. Any console, smart phone, television, computer, ect, has the potential to overheat and cause damage to your components. By setting a safe operating temperature limit, you save a console from any long term damage caused by an individual heating incident. The only issues left are issues caused by lower temperature heats causing damage over time, which is a problem with all electronics.

This also proves that the post the other day with the guy posting his video issue wasn't caused by heat.

It also proves that MS has attempted to address overheating issues with this console, and given you a seatbelt as it were, which can save consoles from improper installation.

It's fucking awesome, and every console should have it and WILL have it next gen, no matter what you think of Microsoft.


Did you read my first sentance? I'm sure they all have this feature and its great MS added it to the 360, but my argument is that ALL hardware intended for home entertainment should be designed to work in enclosed spaces due to the fact that people have entertainment centers. I think you got your panties in a bunch for nothing.



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PS3 has a similar feature and it saved my PS3's ass when I accidentally left it on when I went on vacation. It was sitting upstairs in my home during the summer and it was ~110 degrees up there while the thing was running. I came back and saw a blinking red light, only to find out that it shut itself down due to overheating.

This feature should be applauded and should have been implemented a long time ago.



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ZenfoldorVGI said:
LoveGenie said:

Lmao M$ still having trouble with ventilation and heat problems. Good stuff.


lol...I think you missed the point.

That MS still hasn't fixed the problems? It reminds me of dishing out 3 year cover, people still get pissed off that their console breaks and it's not a sustainable solution.



So, the RROD is replaced with a version of the Eye of Sauron:

That takes control of the 360 and powers it down to prevent users from destroying itself?

Wait, maybe the 360 is more like HAL2000:

Overheat?  I can't do that Dave.  And no Dave, you aren't allowed to do the towel trick!



selnor said:
LoveGenie said:

Lmao M$ still having trouble with ventilation and heat problems. Good stuff.


I think the point is it wont have problems. 

Unlike other systems now, the 360 looks after itself. 


Unlike other systems, you don't need to worry about it so much.

What's the big deal?



BMaker11 said:

So basically.....it knows it's going to have problems so it nips it in the bud before it has a chance to become anything bad. Sounds great on paper. But what if I have a legitimately broken 360, and it just keeps turning off to prevent overheating. It's essentially RRoD right? What do you do when that little loop possibly happens?

I'm not trying to knock the feature, it's sounds good. But I doubt that all the RRoD problems of years old could've been resolved by simply turning off your Xbox mid-play. Hell (anecdote here), my friend's 360 red ringed when he turned it on like 3 or 4 days after we played CoD4. Plenty of time to cool down right?


the RRoD was caused do to overheating to the point that the MB would warp... this would move the GPU or CPU and/or break away the solder... if this system can stop the problem from becoming a problem this will keep it from getting that far... if the system does this there may be something blocking it's vents and maybe needs to be blown out or to hot int he cabnet