richardhutnik said:
I think when humans can effectively, on their own, be moral and upright, and show mercy and compassion, and actually do what is right, then maybe there will be able to be in a place to try to say God of the Old Testament is evil, and question this and that. Why do I say this? Simply because the human mind, and all its schemes, has failed to produce any sort of system that cares for the weak and the powerless, and also doesn't become tyranical. We can say that modern society is the pinacle of being moral, but is it? Look at the STD rate in certain populations of American society. Look at the state of discontent also about. And you want me to give you some chuckles? Check out the reactions to this video by the ICP:
It is called "Miracles". And guess the backlash it generated by people out there, and the mock and ridicule it generated. Pure bile, because of ONE line it says about scientists, and asked how magnets worked (saying we really don't know). You see, in this modern and secular society, you are NOT to question the limitations of science. You are NOT to be religions. You are not to see wonder in the mundane. You are also not to question the high priests who are the architects all around us, that being the scientists. Nope, don't do it, you will be subject to ridicule. And all along, no one can figure out why people can't be happy, and why the use of drugs for mood management is at an all-time high. Nope, just reduce men to machines, and determinstic processes, and figure it out. And then have it so that you have a welfare system that is less humane than the DMV clean up all the abandoned humanity and medicate them into silence.
Anyhow, once people figure this all out, and people then can understand how things work and do it in reality, then maybe one can begin to make sense out of what went on in the Old Testament. |
I am very, very disappointed, richardhutnik.
You are taking abuse hurled on a YouTube video's comments as evidence of systematic oppression against the religious? I'm not sure where to begin.
How about the fact that most people are religious to some extent, to the point that the POTUS ends half his speeches (especially the big ones) with God Bless the USA, and there was all that 'secret muslim' crap (from Christians not atheists), etc. etc. Just ... I mean ... the idea that religious people as a whole are oppressed in America is so ridiculous I'm having trouble taking it seriously enough to spend time comprehensively rebutting. If you want to argue that young earth creationists and other evolution deniers etc. are discriminated against by way of ridicule and people not respecting them, that's at least arguable; but what you said is ridiculous on its face.
And there's the fact that YouTube comments are widely considered to be rife with ignorant intolerant idiots on all sides:
But enough of the generalities. On to the video and comments themselves.
The video, I personally consider to be terrible. I mean, not that I consider ICP's usual output to be the epitome of audiovisual entertainment, but I have heard some of their other stuff and firstly, if I was a fan of their earlier work I would come away from this video seriously disappointed and maybe angry at wasting my time or that they aren't making stuff like they used to and leave an abusive comment; and secondly, ignoring comparison to their other work I did not find this entertaining, just practically a straightforward list of stuff they found personally "magical" or "miraculous" or otherwise inspiring/whatever, accompanied by some truly mediocre CGI random crap (what was with that tower?).
As for the particular comment you say generated such huge backlash, I read through a couple hundred comments and didn't see anything like what you describe.* (Sorry, I'm not going to read through THIRTY EIGHT THOUSAND comments just for you when it's a terrible argument even if you were right.) Let's remind ourselves of the line in question:
fuckin' magnets, how do they work?
and I don't wanna talk to a scientist
y'all motherfuckers lyin' and gettin me pissed
I did see many comments making fun of the magnets lyric, the line and how he says it are just incongruous to the song and very mockable IMO. Especially when he follows up asking how they work with saying he doesn't want to hear from the type of person most likely to be able to tell him how they work.
On a somewhat related note, there's an SNL sketch making fun of this video, and guess what? I don't remember one reference to the crack at scientists from the original. Wow, I guess SNL just forgot to subject that part to ridicule while they were ridiculing the magnets line, and the listing of random crap, and everything else. Cause we atheist oppressors gotta keep a godly man down and all that.
* I actually went back and skimmed the older posts and sure enough a few of them rant about the totally out of nowhere line about scientists (as a whole) LYING to the population. Don't expect subtlety on YouTube, but I think that some criticism of such a random, pointless attack is justified. Still it was a very small fraction of the comments which is the opposite of what I would expect based on your post.
P.S. Every social ill is due to atheism and/or repression of religion, except for the new religion which is science? Wow, and you seemed so reasonable before.
P.P.S. The SNL skit, which is ten times more worth watching than the original IMO (not that that says much, but seriously it's decent, worth watching): http://newsroom.mtv.com/2010/04/18/saturday-night-live-miracles-parody/
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