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How Christianity was transformed from an Eastern religion, to an Western one.



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garvey0 said:
FaRmLaNd said:

Many people who were in many cases born in countries dominated by one theology all persist that theirs is the right theology over others. Add on top of that, all of the dead theologies that had people that thought just the same way in their time (and yet people laugh off thor for example now). Many theologies also existed long before monotheism (just being in the spirit of this thread) aswell.

I ask the question of religious people in this thread (who happen to be mainly Christian because thats what this thread is about), how do you reconcile that different cultures both dead and existing in many cases have/had different dominant religions and all of them think/thought that theirs is the correct faith at the time. I found that very difficult to reconcile intellectually when I was a Christian.

Of course I'd assume that faith, is the answer. But seemingly every different theist from every theology has just as much faith as the next and they all claim to have personal experiences with their God/Gods.

Does this huge number of active and dead religions weigh heavily on any of the Christians in this thread?

My main answer to you is very simple:  If one of those dead religions had been true, then I very strongly believe that God (or goddess, or gods, depending on the religion) would have preserved it and not allowed it to die out.  I can't imagine that God (or gods or goddesses) would give a true communication to humans through a religion and then allow it to be completely forgotten.

As far as existing religions go, I'll say this.  I became a believer in God about 3 and a half years ago.  I did not immediately go to Christianity.  I feel that God wants us to worship Him according to His true character, and in order to find out which religious text (if any) described who God actually is I listened a huge number religious texts in audio.  The God that I had experienced was perfectly characterized in the Bible.  Bare in mind that I was very unfamiliar with the Bible, nor was I even subconsciously in line with its principals or characterization of God (for the most part, and I did examine myself fairly.)

I don't take God's character lightly.  I was sure to explore every alternative with an open mind and an open heart.  Without an open mind and an open heart, the believers of Jesus' time would have never accepted Him.

 

On top of this, I will provide another very strong evidence (proof in my opinion) for Christianity's validity.  All of the 10 of the 11 apostles who claimed to see and speak with the resurrected Jesus were martyred (john, the brother of james, was the only one who died a natural death - and he still faced hardships due to his claims.)  These men were not acting based on a religion that someone had told them about, they were acting based on something (the resurrected Jesus) that they claimed to have saw.  They either truly saw Jesus resurrected, or they had created a lie.  I find it very unlikely that 10 men would be willing to go to their graves based on a story that they had made up.  Also we have paul who claimed to have seen the resurrected Jesus on the occasion where he was struck blind.  He lived a difficult life and spent a great deal of time in prison before he was eventually put to death.  Again, I don't believe he would have gone through all that for the sake of a vision that he made up.

Also, we have the fact that Christianity was heavily persecuted for the first 300 years of its existence yet it grew like crazy.  No other religion that I'm aware of began in such a way.  Most religions grew in their infant years by governmental force.  Christianity was exactly the opposite, it grew in spite of a government that was very hostile towards it.  It did not become accepted by the government until the year 313 AD.  Christianity continues to grow in countries like china in a very similar fashion.  Pbs, which is hardly a pro-Christian channel, did a documentary called "Jesus in china" on Christianity's amazing growth in the officially atheist nation of china which you can watch for free on their website (http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/china_705/video/video_index.html) I believe that in order for the religion to have grown in the way that it did, the hand of God had to have been the driving force.


Drop the persecution card, it gets old. Christians persecuted many more and caused more atrocities that were caused to them. And you're wrong saying that Chrisitanity grew in spite of the government. While the Roman government persecuted christians initially, the same government eventually made Christianity legal and the only official religion of the empire. People who didn't want to convert were persecuted, tortured, and treasures from pagan temples were confiscated in order to build churches. If it wasn't for the Roman Government chrisitanity wouldn't be at all widespread today.



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FaRmLaNd said:

Might I ask a question?

If I sin (as I'm told everyone does either through physical action or thought crime). If I do not accept Jesus into my life and ask unconditionally for forgiveness etc, Am I condemned to eternal hellfire?

Because the concept that someone will have eternal punishment for finite limited sin is morally bankrupt.

Any God that supports such eccessive eternal punishment is worthy of contempt in my mind.

I hope thats not it, because as I said, such a concept seems extremely immoral.

I can probably simplify this and this is how I would understand it. Basically no one is worthy to enter an eternal presence with the Christian idea of God unless they have no blemish, no matter how small. What is a blemish or a shortfall, from the Christian POV, what is deemed by God to be wrong. To God, it is black and white. To us it is really quite grey.

In fact a Christian should be the first to realise that they are not good enough to be right in the eyes of God. We think bad things everyday. I know Athiests that are incredibly "moral" people. So what is the difference? It is grace, or unmerrited favour. It's simple, if God knows you and you know God then all your faults are covered. There's no cheating either - it's the integrity of your relationship with God that counts.

I said before - Is it like this:

I do what's right in the eyes of God and then God may accept me?

OR

God accepts me (I get to know him), and then I "try" to do what's right?

If I ever think I am "good" enough to say, hey, you got to accept me because I am really good or even trying to be really good, then really I am simply being self righteous. It's if we "know" God and if God "knows" us, that matters.

No matter how good a marriage a couple may have, there will be faults, but it is the Love in that marriage that covers the multitude of faults. Except, in the case of God, it's all a one way street on which partner is making all the mistakes :) but the same principal applies. Love covers a multitude of "sins".

To me, the biggest sin is self righteousness - you know, when you see the prancing Christian going around about how sinful everyone else is when they should realise that they are just as hopelessly imperfect as anyone else.

Hell is just another way of saying that you are not in God's presence and we only do that by making a choice rather than how good we are. We are all broken but things can be fixed.



"Christianity is the belief that Jesus Christ is the son of God, and believing in him is solely sufficient to have eternal life in heaven"

I was a catholic and i was always told that your deeds are far more important...quite frankly if believing in Jesus would be sufficient enough to  get into heaven then i think that's ridiculous.



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oldschoolfool said:

fairy tales I tell you,fairy tales. leaves thread. lol


LOL, too true

Why exactly do we need to be 'told' about christianity on a gaming forum now?? Isn't it enough we (in the UK) keep getting the people trying to shove it down our throats at the door every week?

Yawn!!



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So I guess Communism is miraculous also, because of how it spread like wildfire, even taking over whole countries despite being oppressed by those same countries, and also had God's favor. 



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