And out the window goes the "small Install base excuse" for GT5......=)

Good Job!!!

And the first numbers for pre-orders since E3 are in. GT5 increased by 3k and Reach increased by 25k.

Yeah absolutely. Mainly because GP3 took so long to get fixed. They made progress, but you were right about GFX being the prime function at release. PC's at it's release just couldn't do it all. I think RFactor wins hands down with the latest versions of F1 implementation just amazingly realistic.

Codemasters made a good point though. Even as a die hard F1 fan, I would love for RFactor to be alittle more exciting in racing terms.

But then again get a load of F1 nuts to race online together with RFactor and it's just like being there. Too good. 

No Halo Reach is not gonna be just "a great shooter"  its the undisputed king of FPS's  and will be the best Halo ever made.

oh here goes GT5 is going to sell more than Reach here is what I will think will happen

GT5 14m lifetime sales(minimum), it will start off with around 5-6million sales worldwide this year I predict (minimum it should sell 2-3mil in Others alone)

Halo Reach 10m, about 2million sales on the first week as we all know how much halo sells to begin with.

Here is why:

1.GT is a very respectable racing game, releasing right into christmas, used by professionals world wide expect it to get expose on shows like Top Gear, not to mention they have thier own recruiting programme for new drivers, the past fan base is there and they shall be getting loads of content for this game, there is no excuse to pass up on this game, as it contains more content than any of us could possibly imagine... This game will have huge legs..

2.Halo always sells around 8-11 million range, with quite alot buying it on day 1, but there are a few fans who are upset for unmentionable events happening, so I may be wrong about it it may not even sell as much as I think it will, it also has competition such as COD, that may be hard even for a game like halo

I know someone that bought GT5:P because he thought it was the full game. That doesn't mean he won't bother with the actual game once it comes out. The same should apply to Halo (and once the game is marketed, there will be no mistaking it is a new game)

Halo 3 sold 11 million (and counting). What's this unmentionable event happening?

Also, Halo 3 had released alongside CoD: Modern Warfare. I doubt Black Ops will perform as well as that game did, so I'd say it has weaker competition if anything.

i SEE WHAT U DID THERE Yes i was wrong sorry typo lol

Well, if you want it that way, you could always look at each games corresponding sales.  The latest week posted for Forza 3 is Week 35 with 2.77 mil units sold.  Week 35, GT5P had 2.32 mil.  That's a 450K difference.  Now, keep in mind that not only was GT5P only a glorified demo and Forza a full-fledged game, but 360 had a much larger install base 8 months ago compared to PS3's 2 years ago.  Also, it's pretty obvious that Forza will have nowhere near the legs GT5P had in Japan and EU. 

Of course, you could always compare it to Forza 2, which launched over 6 months earlier than GTP5P (almost a year earlier in the US).  Again, to a larger intsall base.  Still it only sold 230K more than a glorified demo.  And this doesn't include downloads of GT5P, because if it did Forza 2 would have sold less than it. 

You are right about the previous Prologues not launching this much earlier than the main game.  But, consumers didn't know that would be the case when GT5P released.  Once again, we can look at the corresponding sales of the last Prologue (GT4P) and GT5P.  Now, GT4P was released a year before GT4 released, so let's just look at the sales til then.  VGC only has the Japanese numbers, but by going by these it looks like GT4P sold most copies, if not all, by Week 32.  I would imagine that is the case for all regions.  It also didn't release in America, so I'll just add the American sales of GT5P up to Week 32 (532K) to the total shipped copies of GT4P (1.36 mil).  This gives us ~ 1.89 mil GT4P possibly could of sold (on a MUCH larger install base) if released in America.  By Week 32, GT5P had already sold ~ 2.21 mil.  I think GT5P is a good indication that the GT series is very much alive.

Well with the kind of fan base GT carries all around the world it's safe to say I wouldn't be surprised if it beat Reach's sales. Halo Reach may beat it in first few monthly sales but in the long run I think GT5 will beat it!

but its not.  Modern Warfare took its crown.

While GTs best comp is in a fight for its life with Prologue.