MaxwellGT2000 said:
And that is a better post that is more sensible that doesn't seem so vague that it could come off as you're just trying to hate on the game/series and you're not trying to blame everyone else for getting upset with you. Thank you, that's all that's required to have a sensible discussion even if it is off the topic of the OP |
no, thank you.
The graphics are beautiful but I hope it becomes more stylized. Miyamoto said he was inspired by impressionism so I'm hoping it will look like impressionism art in the end.
theprof00 said:
Can you read back what you just wrote in bold, and then explain to me how I did something wrong? |
Well, if your argument confines itself to only the visual style, then nothing. But that's not what I've been seeing, nor indeed what you stated recently.
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| theprof00 said: I don't like (recent) Zeldas (with the exception to wind waker) due to (similar gameplay and style) which I can prove my point by (use of the same kinds of items, albeit in different packages like the zora mask/steel boots/iron boots) , (same camera angles and movement, all shoulder cam or fixed cam with some FPS cam, takes place in a large overworld), and (same things to do, Poe hunting, beat dungeon->collect item->use item to unlock new dungeon->beat dungeon, epona stuff, rubies and hearts in grass) as examples, I just hoped the next one would have changed this up. |
beat dungeon->collect item->use item to unlock new dungeon->beat dungeon
rubies and hearts in grass
same camera angles and movement
takes place in a large overworld
How are these not characteristic of every Zelda game ever? (For camera, I should say that I mean all the 2Ds (but one) have the same camera angle, and all the 3Ds likewise to themselves, including TWW. Because, in fact, there are a few different angles/viewpoints used universally by games.)
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good. form follows function.
I love when someone does good design.
also, revealing a new Zelda has become the de facto bitch fest of the entire industry. Its tradition, so deal with it.
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Final-Fan said:
beat dungeon->collect item->use item to unlock new dungeon->beat dungeon |
except that those first ones were the first ones to have them, which changed. It changed from zelda, to link, to LttP. Zelda was open world, you could go anywhere, link was a process of going from one side to the other, and LttP had areas that needed to be unlocked. LttP is also the first one to have rubies in grass.
There are many examples of how these games are different from each other, but have similarities with the new games. The difference is, they did their aspects first and now they all do it.
theprof00 said:
except that those first ones were the first ones to have them, which changed. It changed from zelda, to link, to LttP. Zelda was open world, you could go anywhere, link was a process of going from one side to the other, and LttP had areas that needed to be unlocked. LttP is also the first one to have rubies in grass. There are many examples of how these games are different from each other, but have similarities with the new games. The difference is, they did their aspects first and now they all do it. |
Well, the newer ones also have stuff that they do that the ones before didn't. So lack of new things shouldn't be the problem. Perhaps, then, the problem is that Zelda doesn't drop its old (oft beloved) gameplay mechanics?
What would you prefer they drop to make you happy? Or can I consider your earlier list an answer to that? You'd like never before seen camera angles and no overworld, for instance?
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Final-Fan said:
Well, the newer ones also have stuff that they do that the ones before didn't. So lack of new things shouldn't be the problem. Perhaps, then, the problem is that Zelda doesn't drop its old (oft beloved) gameplay mechanics? |
They don't have to drop them. Just change them. Like, for instance, overworld is fine, but try something different, like they did in Link. Or make it really linear until a certain point in which you can easily travel back. Something like in final fantasy games where you walk around and then get a canoe which can only travel on rivers, and then get a raft, or a low flying hot air balloon, each with their own ways of combating enemies. Similar to spirit tracks, but not mandatory for the whole game. Keep it refreshing by changing the way you get attacked and attack. It would be like if in spirit tracks, you can upgrade your cannon to rapid fire, or collect powerups to make you travel faster or whatnot, then get a balloon and drop bombs from above, and then ride a bull and stampede your enemies. etc etc Really anything is better than running around->upgrade to epona->upgrade epona
For camera angle, howabout some world view, or areas where the the camera is fixed, hiding elements of the level until you get an item that changes your view. Say, the camera is actually a fairy, and the game is you watching link through her eyes, in certain areas, the fairy is frightened and cannot leave a certain area until you kill a certain thing, or until you get some item or some such. Or whatabout parts where it goes into a side-scroller for a mini-game kind of thing.
theprof00 said:
They don't have to drop them. Just change them. Like, for instance, overworld is fine, but try something different, like they did in Link. Or make it really linear until a certain point in which you can easily travel back. Something like in final fantasy games where you walk around and then get a canoe which can only travel on rivers, and then get a raft, or a low flying hot air balloon, each with their own ways of combating enemies. Similar to spirit tracks, but not mandatory for the whole game. Keep it refreshing by changing the way you get attacked and attack. It would be like if in spirit tracks, you can upgrade your cannon to rapid fire, or collect powerups to make you travel faster or whatnot, then get a balloon and drop bombs from above, and then ride a bull and stampede your enemies. etc etc Really anything is better than running around->upgrade to epona->upgrade epona For camera angle, howabout some world view, or areas where the the camera is fixed, hiding elements of the level until you get an item that changes your view. Say, the camera is actually a fairy, and the game is you watching link through her eyes, in certain areas, the fairy is frightened and cannot leave a certain area until you kill a certain thing, or until you get some item or some such. Or whatabout parts where it goes into a side-scroller for a mini-game kind of thing. |
The fairy thing actually sounds kind of interesting.
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| Final-Fan said: The fairy thing actually sounds kind of interesting. |
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