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darthdevidem01 said:
MonstaMack said:

I don't think Sony should scrap the PSP2 - but they should hold off another year or two.

 

As a developer, what are you going to go with? Nintendo has blown everyones mind and the DS has already sold millions. If the PSP2 went head to head with it they would not only get crushed. However, even though the PSP 1 is old It's still most likely cheaper to develop for since It's been on the market so long, so companies will still develop for the PSP1 as long as they can sell their games on it till it dies. Japan right now seems to be the biggest supporter of the PSP, and games like Monster Hunter and Phantasy Star sell a stupid amount (hell even Persona Portable sold really well).

Now, in the next few years Sony should be working on the PSP2 and lowering development cost, as well as making it as powerful as the 3DS. That way when the 3DS is 1-2 years older they can release the PSP2 and it will gather more peoples attention as a new system.

Interesting so basically wait 1 or 2 years then distract everyone with PSP2.

The risk with that is 3DS will have an impenetrable marketshare by then, so why would 3rd parties develop for PSP2 which would just be starting out and ignore 3DS and possibly take resources away from wii2/PS4/720 development?

They wouldn't unless SONY paid them to develop for PSP2. 

SONY needs a big franchise for its handheld, 1st party. Like Gran turismo is for its consoles.

it already did.. just look at the sale's many people wanted the game's but did not want to pay for them

like i stated..going against the 3DS in a dedicated gaming handheld areana would net them very little result's but lot's of negative FUD and less and less support from 3rd party's because Nintendo has such a strong presence to sell software in that part of the market.

which mean's the only thing for the most part that sony could rely on would be 1st party..but with Android..they would have many INDI developer's making game's without having too much trouble getting game's that are pick up and play because those game's already are on the Android store.

than by adding PSN exclusive game's only found on SE phone's it give's and incentive to some gamer's to buy the new PSPSMARTPHONE

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I'm not sure if Scrap is the right mentality. Saying they should scrap the PSP2 is giving up without trying.


I think we should discuss what's required for the PSP2 to be a success?

Right now the two MAJOR competitors for a portable SONY gaming device are Iphone (smart phones) and 3DS.

 

Apple believes in creating products which challenges its users but are simple to use while being advanced technogically.

Nintendo believes in making products which are accessible and enjoyable for the mass market.

SONY values high end products for gamers. According to this SONY would intendt to design a PSP to have better performance than it's competition.


This puts SONY in a tough spot as their beliefs do not necessarily translate into amazing sales.

 

Maybe PSP2 has to be a 3D phone in order to compete.

SONY could try to push PSN as a type of App store.

SONY could brand the PSP2 as the phone for 'gamers'

They currently have a arrangement with Google which means it could also have access to an Android OS and the Android App store.

They could also provide a way for PS3 games to be played on the PSP2 on the GO. I.E. access to media stored on your PS3. They almost already have this right now but it's buggy.

3rd and 1st party support is a baseline.

And SONY has to avoid making a proprietary format.

SONY probably needs to do a few other things, the least of which is know how to market their products properly =P



My question would be: what strategy should Sony take with the PSP2? Because I see huge issues with all of them.

1) Little graphical upgrade, but 3D added. If they release this, it will run right in to the 3DS, which has more popular first party titles by a country mile (whether you personally like them), now has monster third party support, and is competitive from a graphical perspective. Worst of all, it's apparent that the 3DS will have a significant advantage by launching faster. Remember how much slack Sony got for launching the PS3 after the 360? Yeah, well, that was only ~8M units. Now multiply that by 2x or 3x, and you see how big a problem falling behind can be.

2) Huge graphical upgrade, comparable to 360/PS3. Third parties are already losing money on consoles right now -- major third parties lost nearly 800M dollars last year. 800 million dollars. Now, imagine applying this strategy to a handheld system, which Western third parties in particular have never been good at. PS3/360 graphics are barely a functional economic investment for home consoles; it's almost certainly unworkable for handhelds.

3) PSPhone. Good luck against the iPhone and Android! If there's a competitor I'd like to face even less than nintendo, it's apple. And if you try to make it a "Phone for gamers," or something, you're going to be competing against Apple and Nintendo at the exact same time. That's a nightmare -- an absolute nightmare. The two hottest, fastest growing companies in the sector.

It just seems to me that the PSP has been squeezed out of the market: Nintendo on one side, Apple ont he other.



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Android is like the anti-PSP. Low cost games with no licensing fees. That exact opposite of the current PSP.



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silicon said:

I'm not sure if Scrap is the right mentality. Saying they should scrap the PSP2 is giving up without trying.


I think we should discuss what's required for the PSP2 to be a success?

Right now the two MAJOR competitors for a portable SONY gaming device are Iphone (smart phones) and 3DS.

Apple believes in creating products which challenges its users but are simple to use while being advanced technogically.

Nintendo believes in making products which are accessible and enjoyable for the mass market.

SONY values high end products for gamers. According to this SONY would intendt to design a PSP to have better performance than it's competition.


This puts SONY in a tough spot as their beliefs do not necessarily translate into amazing sales.

 

Maybe PSP2 has to be a 3D phone in order to compete.

SONY could try to push PSN as a type of App store.

SONY could brand the PSP2 as the phone for 'gamers'

They currently have a arrangement with Google which means it could also have access to an Android OS and the Android App store.

They could also provide a way for PS3 games to be played on the PSP2 on the GO. I.E. access to media stored on your PS3. They almost already have this right now but it's buggy.

3rd and 1st party support is a baseline.

And SONY has to avoid making a proprietary format.

SONY probably needs to do a few other things, the least of which is know how to market their products properly =P

Android PSP is absolutely ridiculous.

Android is a totally open platform. It is open source. You think they're going to outsource development of their OS, so that they can have the least secure platform in existance? If you think PSP piracy is bad, wait til you haven't seen PSP Android.


Absolutely, 100% antithetical to Sony's approach.



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Grimes said:

Android is like the anti-PSP. Low cost games with no licensing fees. That exact opposite of the current PSP.


just like the partnership is with sony and Google

with Google TV's

sony's making TV's with Intel processor's in them and google tv preinstalled.

that like the exact opposite of the network enable BRAVIA enabled TV's



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joeorc said:
Grimes said:

Android is like the anti-PSP. Low cost games with no licensing fees. That exact opposite of the current PSP.


just like the partnership is with sony and Google

with Google TV's

sony's making TV's with Intel processor's in them and google tv preinstalled.

that like the exact opposite of the network enable BRAVIA enabled TV's


But they aren't selling PS3 software on Google TVs and besides GoogleTV is still an untested concept. It could be great or it could be the next WebTV. The PS3 isn't turning into a GoogleTV any time soon.



Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.

I still expect a PSphone..

but the iphone really does everything so idk what sony can do..?

 

They are pushing the PSP now though with the STEP UR GAME UP campaign, which attacks the iphone, so idk



 

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joeorc said:
peachbuggy said:

Thing is, if Nintendo is first out of the gate with the 3DS, which seems entirely likely right now, then surely the multiplats will go there first. Then when Sony's next handheld is released most people will already have the SW so it won't sell very well. Obviously there will be Sony loyalists that will hold out for the PSP2 or whatever it is called SW and people who for whatever reason won't buy a Nintendo console. Just how big this market is though, is probably very much up for debate.

which is why I think sony's going to the Smart phone market with the PSP..

no PSP 2 it would be in my Opinion a waste of Money..the X10 ANDROID OS based phone with Playstation function of remote play already was :

Xperia X10 Quickly Becomes NTT DoCoMo’s Top-Selling Smartphone

sony get's a partnership with Google for Google TV.

PSP/Android phone that has PSN access to gain Sony playstation PSP game's "only on SE android phone's:

a) seperates their smartphone from the rest

b) all existing PSP's are still supported on the PSN for game's

c) no loss leader for PSP's just keep what you already have

d) access to the android market place many indi developer's and some big publisher's are making content for Android phone's

a psp/android would just be a phone. personally i do not like games on my phone because they suck and kill the battery life. if sony made a psp/android it would be competing with other cell phones not the 3ds. it could be the next n-gage



Bodhesatva said:
silicon said:

I'm not sure if Scrap is the right mentality. Saying they should scrap the PSP2 is giving up without trying.


I think we should discuss what's required for the PSP2 to be a success?

Right now the two MAJOR competitors for a portable SONY gaming device are Iphone (smart phones) and 3DS.

Apple believes in creating products which challenges its users but are simple to use while being advanced technogically.

Nintendo believes in making products which are accessible and enjoyable for the mass market.

SONY values high end products for gamers. According to this SONY would intendt to design a PSP to have better performance than it's competition.


This puts SONY in a tough spot as their beliefs do not necessarily translate into amazing sales.

 

Maybe PSP2 has to be a 3D phone in order to compete.

SONY could try to push PSN as a type of App store.

SONY could brand the PSP2 as the phone for 'gamers'

They currently have a arrangement with Google which means it could also have access to an Android OS and the Android App store.

They could also provide a way for PS3 games to be played on the PSP2 on the GO. I.E. access to media stored on your PS3. They almost already have this right now but it's buggy.

3rd and 1st party support is a baseline.

And SONY has to avoid making a proprietary format.

SONY probably needs to do a few other things, the least of which is know how to market their products properly =P

Android PSP is absolutely ridiculous.

Android is a totally open platform. It is open source. You think they're going to outsource development of their OS, so that they can have the least secure platform in existance? If you think PSP piracy is bad, wait til you haven't seen PSP Android.


Absolutely, 100% antithetical to Sony's approach.

you do know the xperia 10 is an android Device. sony has been working with Android for the past couple of year's.

"Absolutely, 100% antithetical to Sony's approacHh"

yea so is:

google TV but yest Sony is now on board

sony smartphone's ANDROID os

AS A MATTER OF FACT:

But it’s UXP that forms the heart of these phones’ experience. Sony Ericsson has been working on the UXP interface for more than two years, the company says.

“We have done extensive skinning of the Android platform. because we really wanted to make it a bespoke experience,” says George Arriola, head of user experience for Sony Ericcson.

Sony’s UXP interface attempts to do the same thing as rivals like Motorola’s MotoBLUR: namely, aggregate social networking feeds such as Facebook and Twitter into one stream, integrate that data with your phone address book and contacts, and personalize the multimedia experience.

“We took a very sophisticated PlayStation middleware and shrunk it to fit the Android OS,” says Arriola.

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ps:

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