thats not always the best way to judge ppl either. I am a huge JRPG whore, but JRPGS games mostly all appeared on Playstation consoles( b4 this gen) So you would think me a PS fan b4 JRPG fan?

Given I think this thread was made for the wrong reasons. But based on the thread it is based on, I don't disagree with this guy. The whole thread is about one person going on about how much they don't like zelda. Even if that person doesn't want it to be that, it is what I see, and everyone else is pretty much seeing. The thread pretty much carries on and on, with bashing of zelda. In turn, people start to bash the other game because of this very one person (I don't like the other game, I was the first post on that thread, you can see my opinion, but I didn't know bashing would go that far.)

Also JRPG fans unite! :P

The problem I have with people here is that I notice more and more frequently that you can't criticize a system unless you are a known fan of it. If not, you are biased and just trolling. Only rol and soriku can criticize wii games, only darth can criticize sony, and only kowenicki could get away with criticizing 360 (or maybe selnor too, if he ever could be capable of doing so).

This is a site whose draw is sales numbers, and has a large number of fans who are vested in their console of choice being the one they will speak highly off, while they tear down others.  You don't get people who appreciate something for its own merit, but for whom the games are tools to win people over to their camp.   Things like Killzone 2 get elevated as needing to be more than just a great FPS title on the PS3.  The title HAS to end up doing a dent to Halo.  Forza can't just be a great driving sim on the 360, it has to steal the thunder of Gran Turismo.  And other titles fit into this to.  Different titles can't coexist between consoles.  No, they have to be more.  And it is this point i was addressing in this thread.  It is getting predictable I can tell what system someone supports by how they speak about certain games on give consoles.  If Halo is said to be overhyped, then odds are the person doesn't like the XBox system.  If you end up saying that MGS4 isn't the "best game ever" odds are you don't have a PS3 (either that or you are a person who preferred older MGS titles, the way you have different Final Fantasy fans).  And it goes on.

The original post, which sets the tone and topic of conversation for the entire thread, doesn't represent what your thread is about? Seriously? Thats just, wow.

I tend to agree with the idea presented here. Anyone who can't objectively rate games show their biases easily. More specifically they crap on good games needlessly, or refuse to admit faults of the games they own. It is easy to identify them though, and simply not reply.

And the bias is often shaped by what system they prefer.  There is genre fanboys, but the console fanboys are particularly annoying in this regard.   There is resentment by fanboys that a console of their choice may not have the best option in a given niche, so they have to trump up their own as all that.

could it possibly be that "if Halo is said to be overhyped, then odds are the person isn't an Xbox fanboy. If you end up saying that MGS4 isn't the "best game ever" odds are you aren't a ps3 fanboy.

Did you think of that? Just because they aren't in love with a console doesn't mean they are enemies. That's dealing in absolutes, anakin.

Didn't realize I was being judged for 1% of what I show. I'll be more careful to write very good OPs followed by gobbledeguk and see what changes.

Also, it was never meant to be a serious thing, and it was in sony discussion. People made it a serious thing. I wasn't thinking that would happen when I wrote the OP. my bad

It wasn't exactly what you said in the op that made me lose respect for you, it was the attitude you showed to everyone in the thread that did it. The whole thread from your point of view, seems like lets bash zelda for not being original. 

I don't like Sorcery, but I shouldn't have discounted it in the early stages, and that is my fault... I will admit it, but if you see nothing wrong with your posts, than I am surprised. 

It just got out of control. In fact, the first time I mentioned it lacking originality was the same post in which I said sorcery didn't wow me.

I was explaining that sorcery didn't deserve praise, but it showed more than zelda did. My evidence being that zelda brought nothing to the table, and that the two were very similar in mechanics. That's a justifiable point. An established franchise with nothing new and predictable gameplay VS a new IP with lots of potential. I also wrote in the OP "is it just me?" For some people, people like myself, potential is more interesting than predictable great performance. In the end, Zelda will end up with better scores, but it's exciting to talk about the potential of a game.

That's hard to do when every Nintendo fan shows up and mocks/derails the thread and things go haywire. I wrote a post to Rol and all he commented on was that I wrote "weekend" instead of "event". It's a two-way street ace. Don't think it was just me attacking zelda. There was a lot of steering taking place. Keep in mind I said zelda would be the better game a good 8-9 times.