By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Gaming - EEDAR- Sony position Move as upgrade to Wii, devs more excited about 3DS

Solid_Snake4RD said:
Xxain said:

SONY is definitely gonna lose that battle..lol..NINTENDO is literally one step ahead as always.


Not really as they haven't announced Wii HD and if they don't this year and most probably will not it could be FATAL as for next gen they just can't bring an HD upgrade

 

and by that time NATAL,MOVE would have eaten Wii's share

Iwata: *laughs*

Why would choosing nto to release an unnecessary 'upgrade' to the most popular console be fatal for a next gen of clean slate consoles?



Tag - "No trolling on my watch!"

Around the Network
ClaudeLv250 said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Xxain said:

SONY is definitely gonna lose that battle..lol..NINTENDO is literally one step ahead as always.


Not really as they haven't announced Wii HD and if they don't this year and most probably will not it could be FATAL as for next gen they just can't bring an HD upgrade

 

and by that time NATAL,MOVE would have eaten Wii's share

Iwata: *laughs*

Why would choosing nto to release an unnecessary 'upgrade' to the most popular console be fatal for a next gen of clean slate consoles?

AS the current popularity can help them with the release of their next console

 

if they release in 2012 the next Nintendo console,by then Wii's are maket share is just 40%,,that will be bad

 

also PS4 will be releasing cheap this time and MS as always would like to spend their money



Metallicube said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Metallicube said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
allenfake said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Xxain said:

SONY is definitely gonna lose that battle..lol..NINTENDO is literally one step ahead as always.


Not really as they haven't announced Wii HD and if they don't this year and most probably will not it could be FATAL as for next gen they just can't bring an HD upgrade

 

and by that time NATAL,MOVE would have eaten Wii's share


Lol crazzyman is that you? Do you honestly think that move and natal will actually hurt the Wiis marketshare?


not hurt but with wii sales dropping,people think 360 and ps3 as upgrades and will go for it

 

and if wii hd doesn't arrive then they will eat wii's share and nintendo won't have that good name to carry on to nect gen

 

and with all the companies arriving in next 2 years wit new consoles,nintendo won't have the advantage that a gen winner has with its brand name built

 

and no i'm not crazzyman

Why should Nintendo make a Wii HD? It is a losing strategy. The flaw in your perspective is you believe Nintendo is, and should be on the defensive, when really they are the aggressor. Natal, and especially Move, are defensive strategies to keep core gamers on THEIR consoles, because Nintendo is threatening to go after the core gamers with motion plus, which are the vast majority of Sony and MS's market. If Nintendo can entice core gamers with motion controls, then it's all but over for Sony and MS.

Nintendo making an HD Wii would be merely conceding defeat to Sony and MS, and why on earth would they concede defeat when they are the market leaders?

They will make an ALL new console, likely in a couple of years, with a new hook to differenciate themselves like they did with motion controls and the balance board, at which point Sony and MS will probably copy these new features as well.

Nintendo is threatening to go after the core gamers with motion plus..................................lmao

Motion plus is not gonna work on core gamers

 

i am not saying they should only do HD but other things too with thei new console,just that if they release their console say 2012 and till then their popularoty is down from what it is now,they will lose the GEN winner advantage and as PS4 this time ain't going to be expensive

So you don't think core gamers are going to be into Zelda Wii?

Let me ask you this, why then do you think Move will work on core gamers, if motion plus will not? Am I missing something?

Of course their new console will be HD. But it will more than likely not come anytime soon, and it will more than likely have new features that separate themselves from the competition.

Nintendo will not lose to Sony as long as they keep to their disruptive strategies, as this will keep Sony on its heels.

i don't think core gamers are going to come because of MOTION PLUS but because of being hardcore followers of ZELDA and most are Nintendo fans so they already own Wii

Move is actually not aiming for core as PS3 already is pretty much all core gamers,now they are going after the casuals

 



This thread was good for some laughs.



Switch Code: SW-7377-9189-3397 -- Nintendo Network ID: theRepublic -- Steam ID: theRepublic

Now Playing
Switch - Super Mario Maker 2 (2019)
3DS - Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (Trilogy) (2005/2014)
Mobile - Yugioh Duel Links (2017)
Mobile - Super Mario Run (2017)
PC - Borderlands 2 (2012)
PC - Deep Rock Galactic (2020)

Solid_Snake4RD said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Xxain said:

SONY is definitely gonna lose that battle..lol..NINTENDO is literally one step ahead as always.


Not really as they haven't announced Wii HD and if they don't this year and most probably will not it could be FATAL as for next gen they just can't bring an HD upgrade

 

and by that time NATAL,MOVE would have eaten Wii's share

Iwata: *laughs*

Why would choosing nto to release an unnecessary 'upgrade' to the most popular console be fatal for a next gen of clean slate consoles?

AS the current popularity can help them with the release of their next console

 

if they release in 2012 the next Nintendo console,by then Wii's are maket share is just 40%,,that will be bad

 

also PS4 will be releasing cheap this time and MS as always would like to spend their money


And yet Nintendo was coming off a sub 20% marketshare with the Gamecube, and came out with the Wii thereafter, which exploded in popularity and achieved close to 50% marketshare in 3 and a half years time.

Wii will not fall to 40%, that sort of drop is astronimical in 2 years, when so many consoles have already been sold. But even if it DOES, it doesn't have a bearing on the next gen of consoles. I think PS2 to PS3 and Gamecube to Wii prove that point pretty clearly.

Releasing the next Nintendo console this year or next would be far more foolish than releasing it in 2012-2014, especially considering the 3DS is already coming out next year. Reggie even said, "the potential of Wii is nowhere near being recognised." I think Nintendo really believes that. You don't rush out the next console when motion plus is just getting going and Vitality Sensor has yet to be released.



Around the Network
Metallicube said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Xxain said:

SONY is definitely gonna lose that battle..lol..NINTENDO is literally one step ahead as always.


Not really as they haven't announced Wii HD and if they don't this year and most probably will not it could be FATAL as for next gen they just can't bring an HD upgrade

 

and by that time NATAL,MOVE would have eaten Wii's share

Iwata: *laughs*

Why would choosing nto to release an unnecessary 'upgrade' to the most popular console be fatal for a next gen of clean slate consoles?

AS the current popularity can help them with the release of their next console

 

if they release in 2012 the next Nintendo console,by then Wii's are maket share is just 40%,,that will be bad

 

also PS4 will be releasing cheap this time and MS as always would like to spend their money


And yet Nintendo was coming off a sub 20% marketshare with the Gamecube, and came out with the Wii thereafter, which exploded in popularity and achieved close to 50% marketshare in 3 and a half years time.

Wii will not fall to 40%, that sort of drop is astronimical in 2 years, when so many consoles have already been sold. But even if it DOES, it doesn't have a bearing on the next gen of consoles. I think PS2 to PS3 and Gamecube to Wii prove that point pretty clearly.

Releasing the next Nintendo console this year or next would be far more foolish than releasing it in 2012-2014, especially considering the 3DS is already coming out next year. Reggie even said, "the potential of Wii is nowhere near being recognised." I think Nintendo really believes that. You don't rush out the next console when motion plus is just getting going and Vitality Sensor has yet to be released.

i am not saying release this year but announce for next year and showcase this year

also if not a new console something new which will hord off the MOV and NATAL thing

 

Wii explodd in popularity but only because the console with most popularity and brnad name was expensive.if PS3 was $299 then no way Wii was going to be a success with Playstation brand being so strong that time

 

and you say it went to 50% in 3 years,it can centainly drop 10% in 2 years if they go without thinking about the competition

 

"Wii will not fall to 40%, that sort of drop is astronimical in 2 years, when so many consoles have already been sold. But even if it DOES, it doesn't have a bearing on the next gen of consoles. I think PS2 to PS3 and Gamecube to Wii prove that point pretty clearly."

 

lol.... PS2 to PS3 and GC to Wii was because of the expensive PS3 again.PS4 won't be that expensive now that blu-ray is cheap

 

motion plus is just get going-MOtion plus sin't really doing anything,it adds precise motion controls but people din't really care about it as most are casuals and also no wonder they bought Wii before Motion plus cause they didn't care about it.

 

Vitiality sensor could be important to holding of Move and NATAL and acting as a new buying point but we will have to see cause atm it sounds pretty serious stuff which causals don't like

 

Whatever Reggie says does hide the fact that their compeitors are climbing fast

 

3DS is coming this year



Solid_Snake4RD said:
Metallicube said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Xxain said:

SONY is definitely gonna lose that battle..lol..NINTENDO is literally one step ahead as always.


Not really as they haven't announced Wii HD and if they don't this year and most probably will not it could be FATAL as for next gen they just can't bring an HD upgrade

 

and by that time NATAL,MOVE would have eaten Wii's share

Iwata: *laughs*

Why would choosing nto to release an unnecessary 'upgrade' to the most popular console be fatal for a next gen of clean slate consoles?

AS the current popularity can help them with the release of their next console

 

if they release in 2012 the next Nintendo console,by then Wii's are maket share is just 40%,,that will be bad

 

also PS4 will be releasing cheap this time and MS as always would like to spend their money


And yet Nintendo was coming off a sub 20% marketshare with the Gamecube, and came out with the Wii thereafter, which exploded in popularity and achieved close to 50% marketshare in 3 and a half years time.

Wii will not fall to 40%, that sort of drop is astronimical in 2 years, when so many consoles have already been sold. But even if it DOES, it doesn't have a bearing on the next gen of consoles. I think PS2 to PS3 and Gamecube to Wii prove that point pretty clearly.

Releasing the next Nintendo console this year or next would be far more foolish than releasing it in 2012-2014, especially considering the 3DS is already coming out next year. Reggie even said, "the potential of Wii is nowhere near being recognised." I think Nintendo really believes that. You don't rush out the next console when motion plus is just getting going and Vitality Sensor has yet to be released.

i am not saying release this year but announce for next year and showcase this year

also if not a new console something new which will hord off the MOV and NATAL thing

 

Wii explodd in popularity but only because the console with most popularity and brnad name was expensive.if PS3 was $299 then no way Wii was going to be a success with Playstation brand being so strong that time

You really believe the Wii wouldn't be a success if the PS3 was $300? Wow..

Then why is the PS3 not outselling the Wii right now, when it IS $300? Why is the Xbox 360, which is now CHEAPER than the Wii, still getting vastly outsold by it? Price has little to do with it..

and you say it went to 50% in 3 years,it can centainly drop 10% in 2 years if they go without thinking about the competition

But they ARE thinking about the competition. Hence the motion plus, Vitality Sensor, 3DS (which takes the wind out of Sony's 3D sails), etc.

"Wii will not fall to 40%, that sort of drop is astronimical in 2 years, when so many consoles have already been sold. But even if it DOES, it doesn't have a bearing on the next gen of consoles. I think PS2 to PS3 and Gamecube to Wii prove that point pretty clearly."

 

lol.... PS2 to PS3 and GC to Wii was because of the expensive PS3 again.PS4 won't be that expensive now that blu-ray is cheap

Again, you can't possibily believe that. Price means little. Gamecube was cheaper, yet got smoked by the PS2. I truly believe that PS3 could have been CHEAPER than Wii at launch, and it would have still gotten outsold. The types of games Sony and its 3rd parties makes simply does not appeal to the masses like many Wii games do.

motion plus is just get going-MOtion plus sin't really doing anything,it adds precise motion controls but people din't really care about it as most are casuals and also no wonder they bought Wii before Motion plus cause they didn't care about it.

Uh, ok I got nothing.. It takes quite a lot to leave me speechless, congrats.

Vitiality sensor could be important to holding of Move and NATAL and acting as a new buying point but we will have to see cause atm it sounds pretty serious stuff which causals don't like

Serious stuff? What does this even mean, and why don't casuals like it? My prediction is that Vitality Sensor will be a huge hit. Why? Because most Wii gamers like games that try new things, and they like games that improve or compliment their everyday lives (Wii Sports, Wii Fit, etc.) Also, people are stressed in today's society, particularly in the US, so Vitality Sensor is a golden opportunity ripe for success.

Whatever Reggie says does hide the fact that their compeitors are climbing fast

Really? How so? I don't see any huge shifts in sales right now, nor do I see an indication of those trends in the future. PS3 may be up, but 360 is way down, so it balances out. But yeah I forgot, Nintendo is teh doomed!!1 They always are.

3DS is coming this year





Solid_Snake4RD said:

Wii explodd in popularity but only because the console with most popularity and brnad name was expensive.if PS3 was $299 then no way Wii was going to be a success with Playstation brand being so strong that time

and you say it went to 50% in 3 years,it can centainly drop 10% in 2 years if they go without thinking about the competition

lol.... PS2 to PS3 and GC to Wii was because of the expensive PS3 again.PS4 won't be that expensive now that blu-ray is cheap

motion plus is just get going-MOtion plus sin't really doing anything,it adds precise motion controls but people din't really care about it as most are casuals and also no wonder they bought Wii before Motion plus cause they didn't care about it.

If PS3 was $299, it wouldn't be the same console (far less features, weaker hardware). Also, it's impossible to say how that would have affected the Wii. Do you really think the Wii Sports / Wii Fit explosion has much overlap with the people interested in buying PS3's?

It cannot drop to 40% in 2 years. Seriously, just do the math - the Wii would basically need to plummet under PSP numbers, right now. The PS3 consistently outselling the Wii worldwide alone is a highly unlikely scenario.

PS4 may not be expensive, but it won't be as desired, either. Don't forget that the PS3 is the third place console right now (starting next gen as close second at best). It's Sony that needs to make some magic going, not Nintendo, the current market leader.

Your last claim about people not caring about motion plus makes no sense to me. The same claim can be made for anything new Sony / Microsoft tries to come up with.


Seriously, this whole idea of all the past Playstation buyers going to go out and returning to Sony  (PS2 buyers buying PS3, PS4s or whatever) needs to end. If Sony is to return to the top, they're going to have to work their way back up there.



Solid_Snake4RD said:
allenfake said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Xxain said:

SONY is definitely gonna lose that battle..lol..NINTENDO is literally one step ahead as always.


Not really as they haven't announced Wii HD and if they don't this year and most probably will not it could be FATAL as for next gen they just can't bring an HD upgrade

 

and by that time NATAL,MOVE would have eaten Wii's share


Lol crazzyman is that you? Do you honestly think that move and natal will actually hurt the Wiis marketshare?


not hurt but with wii sales dropping,people think 360 and ps3 as upgrades and will go for it

 

and if wii hd doesn't arrive then they will eat wii's share and nintendo won't have that good name to carry on to nect gen

 

and with all the companies arriving in next 2 years wit new consoles,nintendo won't have the advantage that a gen winner has with its brand name built

 

and no i'm not crazzyman


ok *wink* not crazzyman *wink*, but I honestly don't think your average consumer would go and buy a HD platform just for the sake of HD, especially if they already own a Wii.



c0rd said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:

Wii explodd in popularity but only because the console with most popularity and brnad name was expensive.if PS3 was $299 then no way Wii was going to be a success with Playstation brand being so strong that time

and you say it went to 50% in 3 years,it can centainly drop 10% in 2 years if they go without thinking about the competition

lol.... PS2 to PS3 and GC to Wii was because of the expensive PS3 again.PS4 won't be that expensive now that blu-ray is cheap

motion plus is just get going-MOtion plus sin't really doing anything,it adds precise motion controls but people din't really care about it as most are casuals and also no wonder they bought Wii before Motion plus cause they didn't care about it.

If PS3 was $299, it wouldn't be the same console (far less features, weaker hardware). Also, it's impossible to say how that would have affected the Wii. Do you really think the Wii Sports / Wii Fit explosion has much overlap with the people interested in buying PS3's?

It cannot drop to 40% in 2 years. Seriously, just do the math - the Wii would basically need to plummet under PSP numbers, right now. The PS3 consistently outselling the Wii worldwide alone is a highly unlikely scenario.

PS4 may not be expensive, but it won't be as desired, either. Don't forget that the PS3 is the third place console right now (starting next gen as close second at best). It's Sony that needs to make some magic going, not Nintendo, the current market leader.

Your last claim about people not caring about motion plus makes no sense to me. The same claim can be made for anything new Sony / Microsoft tries to come up with.


Seriously, this whole idea of all the past Playstation buyers going to go out and returning to Sony  (PS2 buyers buying PS3, PS4s or whatever) needs to end. If Sony is to return to the top, they're going to have to work their way back up there.


IF $299 it would have been overwhelming Wii as Wii only took off as PS3 was too expensive and people wemt for the inexpensive suff

you really think the age when PS brand was so strong that Wii would have taken over

wii sports/wii fit popularity only grew because there were no hardcore titles in the Wii library

a casual gamer really doesn't follow games but only whatever that is popular so if PS3 was $299 then Wii sports and Wii fit wouldn't have been popular and hence the casual crowd must have not even heard a bout it

 

most casuals don't know a thing about gaming,thry just buy the 'COOL' thing out there and that was wii sports and wii fit

 

PS4 will atleast be more wanted than Wii as Playstation brand is most famous if you look worldwide and also Nintendo name chnaging for every console makes then even more lower known bran again talking about worldwide and not top countries

 

the whole idea of PAST PLATSTATIO BUYERS RETURNING TO sony??? -never meant that,jus that it has a brand name and games and people highly desire it even today and you saw what a price cut did to PS3 sales