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ZenfoldorVGI on 10 June 2010
Maynard_Tool said:
TheSource said:

You guys are so sensitive - I didn't insult PS1 / PS2 games but you guys are pretending like Sony is the same monolothic power it was from 1996-2005 and attributing only the good to Kurtagi while ignoring the bad. What I said is true - PS3 and PSP have far lower market share than they were supposed to and have cost the company enormous sums of money. Again, I haven't knocked the games - but a fall from 70% domination in the PS2 era to a third of that with PS3, and claiming that PSP would take portable gaming out of the ghetto all reeks of anything but brilliance at forecasting the future. Get over it. Kurtagi was responsible for PSP and PS3 planning - wouldn't you laugh if I called Bernie Stolar of Sega a genius for designing the strategy of the Saturn depiste the hugely profitable Genesis in the prior generation. Come on.


You should know better. You can't argue with the Sony defense force in this site x_x

I  regularly win those arguments, actually.



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darthdevidem01 on 10 June 2010
Maynard_Tool said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
TheSource said:

You guys are so sensitive - I didn't insult PS1 / PS2 games but you guys are pretending like Sony is the same monolothic power it was from 1996-2005 and attributing only the good to Kurtagi while ignoring the bad. What I said is true - PS3 and PSP have far lower market share than they were supposed to and have cost the company enormous sums of money. Again, I haven't knocked the games - but a fall from 70% domination in the PS2 era to a third of that with PS3, and claiming that PSP would take portable gaming out of the ghetto all reeks of anything but brilliance at forecasting the future. Get over it. Kurtagi was responsible for PSP and PS3 planning - wouldn't you laugh if I called Bernie Stolar of Sega a genius for designing the strategy of the Saturn depiste the hugely profitable Genesis in the prior generation. Come on.

I'm not here to troll. But The Source is dead right.

Ken said before PS3 launched that PS3 could be any price and it would sell. Effectively calling the fanbase morons by saying this. 

The article completely misses the fact that Ken relied entirely on the so called PS name. He failed to see that the PS2 was such a success because of the tremendous 3rd party support. Not because of the PS2. If the Xbox had all the 3rd party support or the wii, it would have been different and with better visuals. 

Ken made absolutely no business sense in PS3 and had no direction. Only now does PS3 have direction. It has an identity. Something Ken missed entirely. 

He effectively allowed M$ to move in on the gaming market. And because of that, M$ will now never let go. Sony have been recovering ever since he cocked up, and lost them all the PS2 profit. M$ saw there opening and took it. 

Yes Ken did ok with PS1 and 2 hardware ( well PS1 was more Nintendo than Sony ) but 3rd party support of which was many exclusives was the key. 

SELNOR is not here for TROLLING...............LMAO

 

and actually it was SONY's decision to put BLU-RAY as they wanted a future revenue source so solely didn't allow it


Why are you LMAO? He didn't troll. He just stated what really happened.

The real question is what are YOU here for.

You used to gloat every time SONY did bad when the charts had the comment function, now your in this thread why? You have offered no constructive criticism.

Your best post in this thread consitss of 1 word thats is "Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun"

that says a lot



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selnor on 10 June 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
TheSource said:

You guys are so sensitive - I didn't insult PS1 / PS2 games but you guys are pretending like Sony is the same monolothic power it was from 1996-2005 and attributing only the good to Kurtagi while ignoring the bad. What I said is true - PS3 and PSP have far lower market share than they were supposed to and have cost the company enormous sums of money. Again, I haven't knocked the games - but a fall from 70% domination in the PS2 era to a third of that with PS3, and claiming that PSP would take portable gaming out of the ghetto all reeks of anything but brilliance at forecasting the future. Get over it. Kurtagi was responsible for PSP and PS3 planning - wouldn't you laugh if I called Bernie Stolar of Sega a genius for designing the strategy of the Saturn depiste the hugely profitable Genesis in the prior generation. Come on.

I'm not here to troll. But The Source is dead right.

Ken said before PS3 launched that PS3 could be any price and it would sell. Effectively calling the fanbase morons by saying this. 

The article completely misses the fact that Ken relied entirely on the so called PS name. He failed to see that the PS2 was such a success because of the tremendous 3rd party support. Not because of the PS2. If the Xbox had all the 3rd party support or the wii, it would have been different and with better visuals. 

Ken made absolutely no business sense in PS3 and had no direction. Only now does PS3 have direction. It has an identity. Something Ken missed entirely. 

He effectively allowed M$ to move in on the gaming market. And because of that, M$ will now never let go. Sony have been recovering ever since he cocked up, and lost them all the PS2 profit. M$ saw there opening and took it. 

Yes Ken did ok with PS1 and 2 hardware ( well PS1 was more Nintendo than Sony ) but 3rd party support of which was many exclusives was the key. 

SELNOR is not here for TROLLING...............LMAO

 

and actually it was SONY's decision to put BLU-RAY as they wanted a future revenue source so solely didn't allow it

I never post in Sony forums. You know that.

It's just unbelievable the amount of praise for a guy, who has hurt the company you love so much. 

If the Ps3 doesnt have some major dramatic sales increase whilst it is in profit, do think this wont affect the PS4, or how much they will put into the PS4 both graphics wise and tech wise. It could have huge ramifications. 

My point was, Ken isnt Sony. Sony did the right thing by getting him out. I commend Sony for the choice. Yeah so he resigned. ( We all know he was asked to leave ). 

No I'm not trolling. I cant believe how some here react. Ken leaving was the best thing this gen. PS3 now has an identity. A good identity. 



RageBot on 10 June 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
RageBot said:
darthdevidem01 said:
RageBot said:

I also kinda agree with The Source on this, making the PS3 as it is was a mistake, they should've gone for a cheaper to make, even if less powerful hardware.

Can you guys imagine what would've happened if the PS3 was 300$ at launch? And probably had all of those now multiplatform games as exclusives?

I'd rather play Uncharted 2 in the form it was given to us than worry about SONY's finances thanks!


When did I say I wouldn't?

The Source's opinion was strictly from a business prespective, so was my post.

Then you should have said at the end of it "My opinion is only looking at the situation from a business perspective, if ya wanna argue talk business not games"

I wouldn't have responded.

Stop picking nits :P



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Maynard_Tool on 10 June 2010
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Carl2291 said:
TheSource said:

It certainly did take a kind of genius to go from profiting $1b year from Playstation products to losing almost that much per year while in the same stroke going from 70% market share to 25% market share in the space of five years. Previous declines happened much slower.

(End Sarcasm)

I know, right! He totally didn't create arguably the greatest videogame system ever seen. Twice. Three times.

I mean, i bet he totally wishes that he was intelligent enough to try guess sales numbers for a single region once a week, and usually get them wrong!

(End Sarcasm)


You're completely and hopelessly biased, aren't you? I'm sure that substantial facts mean little in the face of that, but know this. "Best" is your opinion, the fact that he drove the playstation brand into the damn ground, and now it's struggling to surpass the "Xbox" is something of an inconvinient truth.

The Playstation 3 launched with a series of dumbass moves including price, and the fact that 3rd and 1st parties made some good games on the console after he was retired has nothing to do with the fact that the business decisions were terrible, and forced him into retirement. It's still a 3rd place console.

No, i think you misunderstood everything

 



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Torillian on 10 June 2010
leatherhat said:
TheSource said:

It certainly did take a kind of genius to go from profiting $1b year from Playstation products to losing almost that much per year while in the same stroke going from 70% market share to 25% market share in the space of five years. Previous declines happened much slower.

(End Sarcasm)



As a figurehead of this site, shouldn't you at least pretend to be impartial?

Oh how I wish our staff could control themselves, and if they have a point that goes against the thread they term it in a way that doesn't turn the thread into a fanboy war in the first reply.  But sadly that isn't to be.



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darthdevidem01 on 10 June 2010
RageBot said:
darthdevidem01 said:
RageBot said:
darthdevidem01 said:
RageBot said:

I also kinda agree with The Source on this, making the PS3 as it is was a mistake, they should've gone for a cheaper to make, even if less powerful hardware.

Can you guys imagine what would've happened if the PS3 was 300$ at launch? And probably had all of those now multiplatform games as exclusives?

I'd rather play Uncharted 2 in the form it was given to us than worry about SONY's finances thanks!


When did I say I wouldn't?

The Source's opinion was strictly from a business prespective, so was my post.

Then you should have said at the end of it "My opinion is only looking at the situation from a business perspective, if ya wanna argue talk business not games"

I wouldn't have responded.

Stop picking nits :P

Out of your hair?



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Solid_Snake4RD on 10 June 2010
TheSource said:

No company willingly loses that much money when other options are available, especially when facing the wealthiest company in the world and a company that dominated a sector Sony was trying to break into with the PSP. Blu Ray still isn't that big even though its grown leaps and bounds, and whether you want to admit it or not Sony has posted enormous losses in the past few years that can primarily be attributed to the slow drain of software royalties in the Playstation / Networked Products Division. If blu-ray royalties had increased faster than Playstation royalties had fallen, then Kurtagi would have won his bet, but as of now it isn't looking good. I know personally I'll never buy a physical format for movies or TV shows again - you can watch everything you'd ever want legally either freely or for a small price on a computer monitor.

There were fairly widespread rumors at least E3 that Sony was going to consider scrapping PS4 if PS3 didn't turn around to big profits soon. Every Sony system - PS1, PS2, PSP, PS3 - has launched for a loss. Once PS4 becomes their main system without a huge long tail from a system as dominant as PS2 they're going to be in even more trouble than they are now as it isn't like costs are coming down. Even Wii games cost alot more than GC games did to make.

 


actually SONY does for big PROFITS in the future.MS has also been doing this to protect there PC business to be the entertainment platform and to enter the Living Room space

 

BLU-RAY still isn't picking up,it is.it will do big numbers with PS4 ad DVD did with PS2 but it was n't doing great before that.BLU-ray has struggled as it was only launched fully with backing in 2006 and then the HD war took its time and then people getting HDTV's and everything else but that will all be over by 2012 ps4 RELEASE

 

and watching on my 40inch TV is so much better than watching on Computer monitor.I know you can watch it on that as well but the normal consumer doesn't and WW people not having internet is still high and have shit speeds too.

 

which rumor of SONY quiting are you talking about? and you really think SONY after losing so much will just drop their JACKPOT PS4 which will be cheap to develop cause of existing cheap BLU-RAY.



forest-spirit on 10 June 2010

Calling a guy a genius for almost ruining Playstation? No thanks



Solid_Snake4RD on 10 June 2010
Maynard_Tool said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
TheSource said:

You guys are so sensitive - I didn't insult PS1 / PS2 games but you guys are pretending like Sony is the same monolothic power it was from 1996-2005 and attributing only the good to Kurtagi while ignoring the bad. What I said is true - PS3 and PSP have far lower market share than they were supposed to and have cost the company enormous sums of money. Again, I haven't knocked the games - but a fall from 70% domination in the PS2 era to a third of that with PS3, and claiming that PSP would take portable gaming out of the ghetto all reeks of anything but brilliance at forecasting the future. Get over it. Kurtagi was responsible for PSP and PS3 planning - wouldn't you laugh if I called Bernie Stolar of Sega a genius for designing the strategy of the Saturn depiste the hugely profitable Genesis in the prior generation. Come on.

I'm not here to troll. But The Source is dead right.

Ken said before PS3 launched that PS3 could be any price and it would sell. Effectively calling the fanbase morons by saying this. 

The article completely misses the fact that Ken relied entirely on the so called PS name. He failed to see that the PS2 was such a success because of the tremendous 3rd party support. Not because of the PS2. If the Xbox had all the 3rd party support or the wii, it would have been different and with better visuals. 

Ken made absolutely no business sense in PS3 and had no direction. Only now does PS3 have direction. It has an identity. Something Ken missed entirely. 

He effectively allowed M$ to move in on the gaming market. And because of that, M$ will now never let go. Sony have been recovering ever since he cocked up, and lost them all the PS2 profit. M$ saw there opening and took it. 

Yes Ken did ok with PS1 and 2 hardware ( well PS1 was more Nintendo than Sony ) but 3rd party support of which was many exclusives was the key. 

SELNOR is not here for TROLLING...............LMAO

 

and actually it was SONY's decision to put BLU-RAY as they wanted a future revenue source so solely didn't allow it


Why are you LMAO? He didn't troll. He just stated what really happened.

that is whats suprising