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Each generations of console aren't the same.  The third party games of last gen weren't performing as well on the X-Box and GameCube as they were on the PS2. 

Just bacause games in this series were once released on systems where the market was, doesn't mean this market will stay behind the same console manufacturer during the next console generation.

As as already been stated multiple times in this thread, that kind of third party games just don't sell well on the Wii and DS. 

 

As painful as it is to admit for many of us, gamers like us are a minority of the Wii users.



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Hynad said:

Each generations of console aren't the same.  The third party games of last gen weren't performing as well on the X-Box and GameCube as they were on the PS2. 

Just bacause games in this series were once released on systems where the market was, doesn't mean this market will stay behind the same console manufacturer during the next console generation.

As as already been stated multiple times in this thread, that kind of third party games just don't sell well on the Wii and DS. 

 

As painful as it is to admit for many of us, gamers like us are a minority of the Wii users.

What you are implying is that this type of third party support has been on the Wii. Which it has not. Therefore

you can not say that this type of game will not sell well when there  is no game like this on the Wii. Nor has third parties supported the Wii with a game or games that require the type resources to make this game.

Secondly, you are on a sales site and yet you state a fallacy about the DS. Kingdom Hearts:358/2 has sold well in excess of  a million units. It's a high profile game  and yet it is and has been selling well. There are other high profile games on the DS that have also sold well. Look it up.



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patjuan32 said:

What you are implying is that this type of third party support has been on the Wii. Which it has not. Therefore

you can not say that this type of game will not sell well when there  is no game like this on the Wii. Nor has third parties supported the Wii with a game or games that require the type resources to make this game.

Secondly, you are on a sales site and yet you state a fallacy about the DS. Kingdom Hearts:358/2 has sold well in excess of  a million units. It's a high profile game  and yet it is and has been selling well. There are other high profile games on the DS that have also sold well. Look it up.

No support attempt on the Wii?

First, there has been many games like the Call of Duty games, Okami, Scarface, Medal of Honor Heroes 2, MadWorld, Red Steel 1-2, Prince of Persia, etc...  They're all not selling well (and it's even uglier when you compare their numbers with their HD console counterparts, which have a much smaller market share).   You're telling me I'm posting fallacy, when you're conveniently omitting clear examples of attempts from third parties.

Secondly, you're stating exceptions and try to make them as a rule.  There are of course some third party games that will enjoy a relative success.  But they are nowhere near being the norm.  Your mention of Kingdom Heart is rather petty in fact.  When after 21 weeks in Japan only (as the game isn't even out elsewhere yet), a PSP title of that same series, Birth by Sleep, has already reached half of the number that 358/2 did on 3 territories during a full year.  And as you can see from this here site's data, the PSP is completely outmatched by the DS when it comes to the install base.

Finally, a milion copies is nothing compared to the higher sale potential provided by the HD consoles.  It's all in the site's data.  Look it up.



In their defense, I wouldn't even begin to think about trying to consider buying such a game for my Wii.  I love the console (I play it every single day!) but I use it for a particular kind of game.  Maybe the lack of  "hardcore" games in my collection is a side effect of quality versions those types of games not being available.  Maybe not.  All I know is that I have no desire for No More Heroes 2, Red Steel 2, or any number of "Mature" games on my Wii but if any of those games were ported to an HD console, I'd probably snap them up in a minuted.

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Hynad said:
patjuan32 said:

What you are implying is that this type of third party support has been on the Wii. Which it has not. Therefore

you can not say that this type of game will not sell well when there  is no game like this on the Wii. Nor has third parties supported the Wii with a game or games that require the type resources to make this game.

Secondly, you are on a sales site and yet you state a fallacy about the DS. Kingdom Hearts:358/2 has sold well in excess of  a million units. It's a high profile game  and yet it is and has been selling well. There are other high profile games on the DS that have also sold well. Look it up.

No support attempt on the Wii?

First, there has been many games like the Call of Duty games, Okami, Scarface, Medal of Honor Heroes 2, MadWorld, Red Steel 1-2, Prince of Persia, etc...  They're all not selling well (and it's even uglier when you compare their numbers with their HD console counterparts, which have a much smaller market share).   You're telling me I'm posting fallacy, when you're conveniently omitting clear examples of attempts from third parties.

Secondly, you're stating exceptions and try to make them as a rule.  There are of course some third party games that will enjoy a relative success.  But they are nowhere near being the norm.  Your mention of Kingdom Heart is rather petty in fact.  When after 21 weeks in Japan only (as the game isn't even out elsewhere yet), a PSP title of that same series, Birth by Sleep, has already reached half of the number that 358/2 did on 3 territories during a full year.  And as you can see from this here site's data, the PSP is completely outmatched by the DS when it comes to the install base.

Finally, a milion copies is nothing compared to the higher sale potential provided by the HD consoles.  It's all in the site's data.  Look it up.


@bolded Let me stop you right there as that seems to be said a lot

CoD W@W - Not as much content as the HD version, released a year after the first actual BIG rise in CoD console sales and Wii missed out on a large part of that fanbase increase

CoD4 Wii - a 2 year old port of the game that caused CoD to propel to a sales darling on consoles, of course it isn't going to have the same effect 2 years later

All CoD games on Wii - Over a million in sales, have made good money for Activision, and performing on par or better than the last gen leader PS2 with its CoD games, so last gen the best sales for the series is matching the worst sales this gen (in context of individual consoles)

Okami - A bomb on PS2 and actually sold better on Wii and also came out much later

Scarface - Was a year late to the party

Medal of Honor Heores 2 - Can't really say much about this title other than the project broke even, it wasn't advertised much, hell even the PSP version was a HUGE drop compared to the first, it still sold better than the PS3 Medal of Honor and about 180k less than the 360 Medal of Honor, the brand just doesn't have the same appeal man

Madworld - Sold half a million units, the PS3 and 360 Bayonetta games sold a little over 600k each respectively, so honestly it's about par for the course for Clover/Platinum Games (look at Okami) given the budget was FAR less than Bayonetta... I say big deal  they made money lol

Red Steel 1 - Sold well

Red Steel 2 - lets change everything about the game so any fanbase we had is destroyed, use the Rabbids Go Home engine to save money and make the game look like a cartoon, and take out local multiplayer which would have been a huge selling point over other Wii FPS games cause too few do it.  Yep and its not even that great IMO

Prince of Persia - not sure which you're talking about, the first Wii one was another very late port, the latest one is a movie game and none of the versions are selling incredibly well though the Wii version more so.

Now that just about all your examples are shot to hell, let me state that not a single damn one of those has had the funding, hype, or ads of even some of the most mediocre HD titles like Bionic Commando, which speaking of games like Bionic Commando, for every "big" title that's not selling "well" on Wii I could list an HD counterpart that hasn't sold well and in some cases put their respective developers/publishers out of business.

Bionic Commando - http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/browse.php?name=bionic commando&keyword=&console=&region=All&developer=&publisher=&genre=&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Hits - Grin DEAD

Eidos as a whole on 360 (excluding Batman) - http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/browse.php?name=&keyword=&console=X360&region=All&developer=&publisher=103&genre=&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Total Sales - You'll see that those titles listed sold best on 360, but where did it get them?  They've been bought by Square Enix so they wouldn't go under.

Midway as a whole on 360 - http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/browse.php?name=&keyword=&console=X360&region=All&developer=&publisher=225&genre=&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Total Sales - Midway is basically dead, Mortal Kombat has been sold, and the company liquidated.

THQ as a whole on 360 - http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/browse.php?name=&keyword=&console=X360&region=All&developer=&publisher=339&genre=&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Total Sales - They've got a decent number of million sellers, but they're hurting badly because of the other games on that list not doing so hot

I could go on making lists, many of which have big hyped games with a good bit of ads thrown behind it that's simply bombed, but I'd be here all night, you could do the same for Wii but the solace is always that 1) you don't have to sell as much because 2) games don't cost as much to develop on Wii and 3) the likelyhood that the game had major advertisement is pretty low so that the budget for ads was low as well.  Side note overall software sales have been higher on Wii for a while now.

Simply put others are very justified to say that third parties HAVE NOT put the funding into a Wii project like they have on PS3 or 360, nor have they tried to hype it, and they also haven't backed it with ads.  Overall it just doesn't happen unless it's a Nintendo game and guess what?  Those games sell and break records that even HD consoles haven't been able to touch.

But as always the fault is on Nintendo, piracy, used games, or even you the consumer as to why they don't put products on the Wii

(Sorry for the long off topic post everyone, this is not even directed at no Castlevania on Wii, but rather just trying to counter what hynad said with actual facts)



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mike_intellivision said:
forest-spirit said:


Then the real answer to this is obvious. Wii and DS doesn't support movie discs.


Netflix begs to differ. 8*>

What is true though is that Wii owners don't support games that are glorified movies.

 

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Concidering there is as much gameplay in MGS4 as most other games plus ekstra..

 

 

And then additional what 10 hours of cutscenes ? .. That doesn't make it a glorified movie. What it does make it, is twice as long as most other mainstream games... Actually it's probably more..



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@ MaxwellGT2000:  That cute post of yours is the definition of opinionated apologetics.

But as I said before, no matter what excuses the Wii fans like you want to throw at every corner, Developers themselves, like Capcom and Sega have voiced their frustration to Nintendo.

 

But, indeed, Capcom and Sega, among others, don't know shit about what they're talking about.



Hynad said:

@ MaxwellGT2000:  That cute post of yours is the definition of opinionated apologetics.

But as I said before, no matter what excuses the Wii fans like you want to throw at every corner, Developers themselves, like Capcom and Sega have voiced their frustration to Nintendo.

 

But, indeed, Capcom and Sega, among others, don't know shit about what they're talking about.


Apologetics nothing, you listed games that just flat out aren't the same calibur as the high profile releases on PS3 and 360, there is nothing debatable about that, I don't know anyone that would actually say any of those titles would be called high profile.

And who even said anything about Capcom and Sega? I have yet to hear them whine, some guy from Capcom France did and the guys over him made statements to counter his, same with Sega, most of Sega's comments have been praise which I would assume it would be after the sales they've obtained on the console.

I really don't know what you're getting at, it seems like a lot of fluff and no substance since you've yet to yield some solid proof of your point, but I gave you info and links that you would need, when the search forums feature returns I can even dig up some information from various developers talking about how they don't need the sales they need on PS3/360 to break even on any average project, most of the publishers/developers that would likely complain about sales on PS3/360 are just dead because they tried to be the next Activision, give a team a HUGE budget and make a great game and then the game sold pretty badly but due to how much they invested they all ended up with pink slips.

I find it hard to believe you have any foundation set in fact, numbers are facts, budgets are facts, numbers to break even are facts, developers have told the press their budgets for PS3 vs 360 vs Wii, Wii is simply dwarfed, and you know this, everyone does, no one has hidden it, and at the end of the day you simply don't have to sell gangbusters to be a success.  Games are facing a big problem the movie industry faced/is still facing, they too try to blame the theaters, they try to blame the consumers, they try to blame each other, but they simply don't realize that if you take a huge budget you could simply lose the farm, it's basic economics and you should know the risk going in.



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