Hynad said:
patjuan32 said:
What you are implying is that this type of third party support has been on the Wii. Which it has not. Therefore
you can not say that this type of game will not sell well when there is no game like this on the Wii. Nor has third parties supported the Wii with a game or games that require the type resources to make this game.
Secondly, you are on a sales site and yet you state a fallacy about the DS. Kingdom Hearts:358/2 has sold well in excess of a million units. It's a high profile game and yet it is and has been selling well. There are other high profile games on the DS that have also sold well. Look it up.
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No support attempt on the Wii?
First, there has been many games like the Call of Duty games, Okami, Scarface, Medal of Honor Heroes 2, MadWorld, Red Steel 1-2, Prince of Persia, etc... They're all not selling well (and it's even uglier when you compare their numbers with their HD console counterparts, which have a much smaller market share). You're telling me I'm posting fallacy, when you're conveniently omitting clear examples of attempts from third parties.
Secondly, you're stating exceptions and try to make them as a rule. There are of course some third party games that will enjoy a relative success. But they are nowhere near being the norm. Your mention of Kingdom Heart is rather petty in fact. When after 21 weeks in Japan only (as the game isn't even out elsewhere yet), a PSP title of that same series, Birth by Sleep, has already reached half of the number that 358/2 did on 3 territories during a full year. And as you can see from this here site's data, the PSP is completely outmatched by the DS when it comes to the install base.
Finally, a milion copies is nothing compared to the higher sale potential provided by the HD consoles. It's all in the site's data. Look it up.
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@bolded Let me stop you right there as that seems to be said a lot
CoD W@W - Not as much content as the HD version, released a year after the first actual BIG rise in CoD console sales and Wii missed out on a large part of that fanbase increase
CoD4 Wii - a 2 year old port of the game that caused CoD to propel to a sales darling on consoles, of course it isn't going to have the same effect 2 years later
All CoD games on Wii - Over a million in sales, have made good money for Activision, and performing on par or better than the last gen leader PS2 with its CoD games, so last gen the best sales for the series is matching the worst sales this gen (in context of individual consoles)
Okami - A bomb on PS2 and actually sold better on Wii and also came out much later
Scarface - Was a year late to the party
Medal of Honor Heores 2 - Can't really say much about this title other than the project broke even, it wasn't advertised much, hell even the PSP version was a HUGE drop compared to the first, it still sold better than the PS3 Medal of Honor and about 180k less than the 360 Medal of Honor, the brand just doesn't have the same appeal man
Madworld - Sold half a million units, the PS3 and 360 Bayonetta games sold a little over 600k each respectively, so honestly it's about par for the course for Clover/Platinum Games (look at Okami) given the budget was FAR less than Bayonetta... I say big deal they made money lol
Red Steel 1 - Sold well
Red Steel 2 - lets change everything about the game so any fanbase we had is destroyed, use the Rabbids Go Home engine to save money and make the game look like a cartoon, and take out local multiplayer which would have been a huge selling point over other Wii FPS games cause too few do it. Yep and its not even that great IMO
Prince of Persia - not sure which you're talking about, the first Wii one was another very late port, the latest one is a movie game and none of the versions are selling incredibly well though the Wii version more so.
Now that just about all your examples are shot to hell, let me state that not a single damn one of those has had the funding, hype, or ads of even some of the most mediocre HD titles like Bionic Commando, which speaking of games like Bionic Commando, for every "big" title that's not selling "well" on Wii I could list an HD counterpart that hasn't sold well and in some cases put their respective developers/publishers out of business.
Bionic Commando - http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/browse.php?name=bionic commando&keyword=&console=®ion=All&developer=&publisher=&genre=&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Hits - Grin DEAD
Eidos as a whole on 360 (excluding Batman) - http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/browse.php?name=&keyword=&console=X360®ion=All&developer=&publisher=103&genre=&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Total Sales - You'll see that those titles listed sold best on 360, but where did it get them? They've been bought by Square Enix so they wouldn't go under.
Midway as a whole on 360 - http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/browse.php?name=&keyword=&console=X360®ion=All&developer=&publisher=225&genre=&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Total Sales - Midway is basically dead, Mortal Kombat has been sold, and the company liquidated.
THQ as a whole on 360 - http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/browse.php?name=&keyword=&console=X360®ion=All&developer=&publisher=339&genre=&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Total Sales - They've got a decent number of million sellers, but they're hurting badly because of the other games on that list not doing so hot
I could go on making lists, many of which have big hyped games with a good bit of ads thrown behind it that's simply bombed, but I'd be here all night, you could do the same for Wii but the solace is always that 1) you don't have to sell as much because 2) games don't cost as much to develop on Wii and 3) the likelyhood that the game had major advertisement is pretty low so that the budget for ads was low as well. Side note overall software sales have been higher on Wii for a while now.
Simply put others are very justified to say that third parties HAVE NOT put the funding into a Wii project like they have on PS3 or 360, nor have they tried to hype it, and they also haven't backed it with ads. Overall it just doesn't happen unless it's a Nintendo game and guess what? Those games sell and break records that even HD consoles haven't been able to touch.
But as always the fault is on Nintendo, piracy, used games, or even you the consumer as to why they don't put products on the Wii 
(Sorry for the long off topic post everyone, this is not even directed at no Castlevania on Wii, but rather just trying to counter what hynad said with actual facts)