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Forums - Sales - Others/EMEAA up!! (29th May 2010)

I tend to look at legs in two ways.

Firstly two weeks simply isn't a long enougnh amount of time to see if something has legs. It needs to be months before I'll say a game has legs. Although it isn't wrong to say a game has a great holds right away. Like mods nations has had a good hold this week.

Secondly I look at is its its multiplier, eg how many times its multiplied its first week of sales. So Halo 3 for example may have outsold its first week sales by a few times (and certainly doesn't have great legs from week to week) its not as impressive as a game like Starcraft which sold far less in its first week but has sold a comparable amount overall. Let alone some of the casual games which sell next to nothing first week and then go on to sell literally millions of copies.



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FaRmLaNd said:

I don't consider myself Asian. Since Australia isn't part of asia directly. They could add in an O for Oceania or another A for Australasia. Or hell if I was really arrogant I would just put another A for Australia alone, since we're considered a continent in most circles...

Leaving out mine and my fellow NZ'ers makerts makes me a sad person :(


Isn't Autralasia covered by Europe?  (As in, Australia and NZ are part of the European Region)  Though the other A might not be for Asia, but could be Asiapac (Asia Pacific)



CGI-Quality said:
Rockyb said:

360 is dying in others

Alan wake  Flop of the year  lol

Nah, it hasn't flopped at this point. It'll likely have legs too.

I wish people would get "legs" out of their vocabulary because, obviously, everything has legs.

Remember, time is the key factor. The only time legs will actually kick in is when everyone stops talking about the game and have moved onto another one.



CGI-Quality said:
Smashchu2 said:
CGI-Quality said:
Rockyb said:

360 is dying in others

Alan wake  Flop of the year  lol

Nah, it hasn't flopped at this point. It'll likely have legs too.

I wish people would get "legs" out of their vocabulary because, obviously, everything has legs.

Remember, time is the key factor. The only time legs will actually kick in is when everyone stops talking about the game and have moved onto another one.

No, in a relative term, everything does not have legs. Again, everything's not so black and white.

If everything isn't "black and white," then everything is true becuase we can chop it up to a "gray," area.

Time is the key element. 3 weeks is still a new release. New Releases do not have legs.



Nomad Blue said:
FaRmLaNd said:

I don't consider myself Asian. Since Australia isn't part of asia directly. They could add in an O for Oceania or another A for Australasia. Or hell if I was really arrogant I would just put another A for Australia alone, since we're considered a continent in most circles...

Leaving out mine and my fellow NZ'ers makerts makes me a sad person :(


Isn't Autralasia covered by Europe?  (As in, Australia and NZ are part of the European Region)  Though the other A might not be for Asia, but could be Asiapac (Asia Pacific)


Australia is it's own region here on VGC and just to clear up a common misconception New Zealand is not included in Austalia's numbers. NZ is part of 'Other' which is Africa, Asia, the Middle East, and Oceania. On a small side note, I guess we're not tracking Final Fantasy 13's launch in Asia. Considering that God of War 3 has shipped 180k to Asia I would think that FF13 would at least be good enough for a 40k-50k opening, especially since they're getting the special edition Lightning bundle. PS3 is probably undertracked in that region this week. :edit: Oh shoot, nevermind. I didn't realize they changed the regional breakdown with the site redesign. Australia and NZ are combined.



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Well it makes sense to combine Australia and NZ and any other countries in the onceanic region together.



FaRmLaNd said:

Well it makes sense to combine Australia and NZ and any other countries in the onceanic region together.



Yeah that makes sense. I never understood why it wasn't combined before. I was basing that on gfk data that we got earlier in the year for the 2 separate countries. If VGC's numbers had been combined then we would have been undertracking PS2 in the region by about 500k as of the end of 2009.



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Smashchu2 said:
EncodedNybble said:

LOL.  A game has to be out for X amount of time before it can be said to have "legs."  Where X is definitely greater than 2 weeks.

The whole point of a game having "legs," is that they sell decent numbers for a long period of time. This is how Just Dance is selling 3 million units despite a pretty week opening.

Since legs implies a long period of time, then 2 weeks (more like 2 days and a week) would not constitue "legs,legs,legs." Remember, games that have legs are long term games, so we have to wait for the long term.

I actually said it because you're not exactly known to pedestal Sony, and this very post proves that. Oh well, moot point either way. The bottomline (and the point) ModNation may not be the "flop" it was initially pegged as.

What? I don't pedestal Sony? What, you mean, put them on a pedestal. The reason I don't (or won't) is because they are doing bad. You are not successful when you have to cut the price by 50% and take 3 and a half years to make a profit.

There are three things that annoy me this generation

  • Nintendo, despite their success, is either ignored or doomed. Why else are these threads talk about PS3 and 360 games that may not last in the long term despite that New Super Mario Bros Wii and Just Dance are still selling (they were 11 and 12 this week).
  • Everything Sony and Microsoft does is successful. I know people like these systems, but they will spin everything as a great success for Sony despite they are still in last and are losing to the Wii (if Sony's endevors are successes, then what do we call Nintendo's)
  • The word "legs," is well over used. It's not just MNR. Any game will be deamed as having legs if it was in the top 10 charts for some time. Most games do not have legs.
  • All three happened in this thread. Also, and more importaintly, why is no one looking into Just Dance? I was told that third party games couldn't sell on the Wii and music games were declining, but here is a third party Wii game that just keeps on selling and it is a music game. I hope some smart members of VGChartz would look into this.

    What is so mysterious about Just Dance selling?  When people say music games are declining, it seems they are only talking about Guitar Hero and Rock Band for the most part.  A very "casual" game such as this selling on the Wii isn't really that surprising. It is in the "just one of those lucky games to get attention and/or slightly better than the other games of its kind" category.  It is the new Carnival Games.  Third parties are bound to have some of these games stick, they are doing the equivalent of throwing a shit ton of darts against the wall, with some of them sticking better than others.  



    NYANKS said:
    Smashchu2 said:
    EncodedNybble said:

    LOL.  A game has to be out for X amount of time before it can be said to have "legs."  Where X is definitely greater than 2 weeks.

    The whole point of a game having "legs," is that they sell decent numbers for a long period of time. This is how Just Dance is selling 3 million units despite a pretty week opening.

    Since legs implies a long period of time, then 2 weeks (more like 2 days and a week) would not constitue "legs,legs,legs." Remember, games that have legs are long term games, so we have to wait for the long term.

    I actually said it because you're not exactly known to pedestal Sony, and this very post proves that. Oh well, moot point either way. The bottomline (and the point) ModNation may not be the "flop" it was initially pegged as.

    What? I don't pedestal Sony? What, you mean, put them on a pedestal. The reason I don't (or won't) is because they are doing bad. You are not successful when you have to cut the price by 50% and take 3 and a half years to make a profit.

    There are three things that annoy me this generation

  • Nintendo, despite their success, is either ignored or doomed. Why else are these threads talk about PS3 and 360 games that may not last in the long term despite that New Super Mario Bros Wii and Just Dance are still selling (they were 11 and 12 this week).
  • Everything Sony and Microsoft does is successful. I know people like these systems, but they will spin everything as a great success for Sony despite they are still in last and are losing to the Wii (if Sony's endevors are successes, then what do we call Nintendo's)
  • The word "legs," is well over used. It's not just MNR. Any game will be deamed as having legs if it was in the top 10 charts for some time. Most games do not have legs.
  • All three happened in this thread. Also, and more importaintly, why is no one looking into Just Dance? I was told that third party games couldn't sell on the Wii and music games were declining, but here is a third party Wii game that just keeps on selling and it is a music game. I hope some smart members of VGChartz would look into this.

    What is so mysterious about Just Dance selling?  When people say music games are declining, it seems they are only talking about Guitar Hero and Rock Band for the most part.  A very "casual" game such as this selling on the Wii isn't really that surprising. It is in the "just one of those lucky games to get attention and/or slightly better than the other games of its kind" category.  It is the new Carnival Games.  Third parties are bound to have some of these games stick, they are doing the equivalent of throwing a shit ton of darts against the wall, with some of them sticking better than others.  

    First off, no one ever talks about Just Dance despite it's already sold 3 million worldwide (and none in Japan neither).

    But the reason you give seems to give no reason to why it is successful. Why are people buying it 6 months (or more) after it's launch. What makes them like this game. "Just because." "Staatistical chance." I don't think so.



    Holly s*** everyone saying 360 was doomed looks like its a comeback to Wii is doomed now haha