mirgro said:
Kasz216 said:
mirgro said:
Kasz216 said:
mirgro said:
Kasz216 said:
Going by the facts which you don't even know apparently.
It sounds like you made up your mind BEFORE you knew the facts and now are simply unwilling to change your opinion.
Also, well YES that is the only way they could of stopped the ship some other way.
Without risking the deaths of EVERYBODY anyway. IF they attacked the rudders or Engines even the littlest wave could of cause them to accidently sink the damn thing. Heck it might not even take that. These kind of ships used for floatillia's are usually weak out of date ships that haven't been in regular service or matience for years.
I guess if you think it'd be a better option to possibly kill EVERBODY. That's fine.
Nevermind the fact that you then have to send people on the ship anyway to either evacuate the people or to hook up a towing line.
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My mind was actually made upwhen I read about what happened after several days, hence why I was late to the thread. As for information known, I doubt even you have all the facts on how things stand, and are just as stubborn to change your opinion on this.
Furthermore, you neither know what the ship was biilt like, nor how it was built, or really any of that sort. In fact you are now using your lack of information and making your own mind up BEFORE you know how things stand in that area, something you just blamed me of doing. But I guess you can go ahead and speculate as well.
As for your following post, the mob did not go to the commandos, the commandos came to the mob. The commandos were in absolutely no threat up in their helicopter, and they went and invaded an obviously hostile mob of people. Then they wonder why they got hit on the head with metal rods. So no, they had no right to use lethal force whatsoever.
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I have more facts then you did... and since then... all of the facts have broke towards my side.
I know plenty about that area. It's a shitty situation for everbody caused by england. Doesn't change the fact that Israel did nothing wrong here.
Your just backpeddaling now because you don't want to admit you were wrong. I mean, did you not notice the fact that the other ships were boarded fine? It was a six ship floatilla and trouble only happened on one ship.
Your only suggestion now is "they shouldn't of landed" with no actual other suggestion on how to stop the ship.
Just admit you were wrong. Or how would you have disabled the ship?
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By "that area" I actually meant the ship's condition and apparent ability to be sunk by a breeze.
Also, just because they landed just fine on the other boats, I am sure that the people here saw the the ones on this particular boat were not as friendly as the ones on the other boat. I imagine that all the "weapons" everyone keeps quoting were not all that hard to see. The whole "others were boarded fine and the IDF didn't see this comning" is a very poor argument. What did the IDF think those rods were for? Welcome parade?
The operatoin was a huge mistake. You don't board a ship full of painfully obvious rioters who mean you harm, and then expect them to surrender peacefully just like that? Hell, if Ididn't know any better I'd say they were pulling the same schtick the flotilla was pulling. Throw a few people in the lion's mouth, then wait for the excuse to shoot. Then again, nowing how Israel reacts this could have some turth to it as well.
FInally, I don't have any better idea on how to handle this because I studied computers, not military tactics. However I expect people who have studied military tactics to perform far above what was displayed here, and not come up with something your average person can come up with.
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So in otherwords. You are just critical towards the Israeli's because you want to.
How would you feel if you tried to fix a computer, something happens unexpectedly, the computer broke and somebody said "Well I know nothing about computers, I'm not even sure how to turn one on, but as someone who knows something about computers... you should of did better."
Even though there was a very good possibility it was IMPOSSIBLE to fix said computer.
If you don't know enough to come up with a better way to handle it, you have no right to complain how it's handled... because you have no frame of refrence for making judgement.
As for not being sure of the ships structure there... yeah I don't know.... and neither did Israel. Which is why... you know, you'd show caution... rathr then launching a bunch of explosives at the peace mission.
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I don't expect the common man to come up with anything even close to what I can do with a computer. I would hope that people who are trained in military tactics cane come up with maneuvers that the common person, like you and I, cannot come up with. Otherwise it means they had pisspoor education.
Your analogy would be better if it went something like this. I see that the computer has a faulty HDD, not unexpectedly, and I put on a full load to be written, then I act surprised when it fails. If you are trying to tell me that the IDF did not know to expect hostility, then they must either have been blind, dumb, or mentally retarded.
You are trying to tell me that small mobs, isolated on a boat, are practically invulnerable to most common tactics and need to be shot to be calmed down. I just want you to think of just how horrible that sounds considering that he mobs and riots that involve soccer games are much bigger, better armed, and certainly not isolated in the sea, and the police actually killing those rioters happens almost never. They trample on each other, sure, but it's not the police that kills them.
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