9 dead as Israeli forces board Gaza aid Convoy

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mirgro said:

Kasz216 said:

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So in otherwords.  You are just critical towards the Israeli's because you want to.

How would you feel if you tried to fix a computer, something happens unexpectedly, the computer broke and somebody said "Well I know nothing about computers, I'm not even sure how to turn one on, but as someone who knows something about computers... you should of did better."

Even though there was a very good possibility it was IMPOSSIBLE to fix said computer.

If you don't know enough to come up with a better way to handle it, you have no right to complain how it's handled... because you have no frame of refrence for making judgement.

As for not being sure of the ships structure there... yeah I don't know.... and neither did Israel.  Which is why... you know, you'd show caution... rathr then launching a bunch of explosives at the peace mission.

I don't expect the common man to come up with anything even close to what I can do with a computer. I would hope that people who are trained in military tactics cane come up with maneuvers that the common person, like you and I, cannot come up with. Otherwise it means they had pisspoor education.

Your analogy would be better if it went something like this. I see that the computer has a faulty HDD, not unexpectedly, and I put on a full load to be written, then I act surprised when it fails. If you are trying to tell me that the IDF did not know to expect hostility, then they must either have been blind, dumb, or mentally retarded. 

You are trying to tell me that small mobs, isolated on a boat, are practically invulnerable to most common tactics and need to be shot to be calmed down. I just want you to think of just how horrible that sounds considering that he mobs and riots that involve soccer games are much bigger, better armed, and certainly not isolated in the sea, and the police actually killing those rioters happens almost never. They trample on each other, sure, but it's not the police that kills them.

Well it is not that easy to board a ship. Usually it is done by boarding from small fast boats or by soldiers droped from helicopters.

Israel soldiers used boats to board all other ships without any incidents. You can see this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ba0iXUzxu0

IDF tries to board Marmara the same way unsuccessfully.  You can see this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6sAEYpHF24

It is hard to board a ship that way if there is a resistance. You are vulnerable climbing up to the people on the ship. There is also a very efective weapon against this method - water jets. That is why many companies start to produce water cannones agaist pirates:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-tG8dNJp7o

As you can see form the second link, people from the ship throw objets, stun grenades, fired projectiles from slingshots and used fire hoses as water cannones to prevent soldiers from boarding. The only way is to shoot to clear an area. This is a how somali pirates capture ships. They start shooting before climbing up, but for obvious reasons israel soldiers didn't want to start shooting first.

That is why next step form IDF was to attack Marmara with soldiers droped from helicopters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo

An again this method is not easy against a mob. Soldiers are coming down one by one and are vulnerable to attacks from people on the deck. As you can see from the last video first few soldiers are badly beaten and they can't protect themself cos they are numerically inferior. You need to have a group so they can protect each other and you can't drop to many people cos space in helicopters is limited.

Now about your comparison of the situation with football games.
First - football fans are checked before entering and usually attack rival fans, not police. They don't have metal rods or knifes and policemen are always in groups. It is not easy to fight with bear hands against policemen with sticks and shields. Is it? Even this can't ensure that police can handle the situation. In Heysel Stadium disaster 39 people die. In Argentina, over 70 people died in 1968 in a single game.
That is why fatal clashes are always outside the stadiums were hooligans can get weapons. Some recent examples:
- On 24 November 2006 a PSG fan was shot and killed by police and another seriously injured during fighting between PSG fans and the police.
http://www.farenet.org/default.asp?intPageID=7&intArticleID=1217

- On 11 November 2007 Lazio fan was shot dead by police.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=481140&cc=5739