| Slimebeast said:
These are "unarmed humanitarian activists". |
Strange. One report I saw said that the civillains all surrendered immiediatly and then the Isreali's open fired upon them whilst they had their hands up. This suggests the opposite.


| Slimebeast said:
These are "unarmed humanitarian activists". |
Strange. One report I saw said that the civillains all surrendered immiediatly and then the Isreali's open fired upon them whilst they had their hands up. This suggests the opposite.


noname2200 said:
I should probably have cited to the article so that you could read the description. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100531/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians Footage, or self-interested testimony? Of course, the footage may well be incomplete. |
It is irrelevant, the israeli soldiers attacked and boarded in international waters, which is pretty much the same as pirates. They then killed almost 20 civilians and seized all the aid that was for the palestinians.
shio said:
It is irrelevant, the israeli soldiers attacked and boarded in international waters, which is pretty much the same as pirates. They then killed almost 20 civilians and seized all the aid that was for the palestinians. |
Okay.
And with that, I remember why Off-Topic is a no-go zone.
| noname2200 said: Okay. And with that, I remember why Off-Topic is a no-go zone. |
Agreed. There's a reason why I rarely read or post in off-topic.
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shio said:
It is irrelevant, the israeli soldiers attacked and boarded in international waters, which is pretty much the same as pirates. They then killed almost 20 civilians and seized all the aid that was for the palestinians. |
1. The international law allows boarding a vessel that is on course to your country.
2. So you basically say that the Israeli forces shoudl've just said "okay, we won't use lethal force against you, stab our 18 to 20 year old soldiers as much as you please, and we will really appreciate it if you will turn back, too! :) "
3. The Israeli governmant told the Convoy (or whatever word is appropriate) that if they want to get the supplies into Gaza, they shoulod anchor in the Ashdod harbor, and the supplies will be transfered into Gaza, why would they refuse? Oh, now we know, don't we?
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| Slimebeast said:
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And how does that compare to:
- Engaging civilian ships in international waters.
- Boarding them with armed weapons.
- Killing 14-20 civilians.
- Sieze all the humanitarian aid for a war torn country.
shio said:
And how does that compare to: |
- engaging a ship that tried to breach a blockade despite warnings
- how else would they board a ship like that? Unarmed? The police has guns too.
- you would shoot too to protect yourself if you got stabbed by a knife in the back,
or if a friendly soldier was lying down being beaten by a mob with iron rods
- the ship's mission was only political. Israel offered to make sure the aid would be sent if they accepted to port in Haifa, but they refused because that wouldn't make a good show for the world. Besides, Egypt has a tight blockade on its border to Gaza too.
RageBot said:
1. The international law allows boarding a vessel that is on course to your country. 2. So you basically say that the Israeli forces shoudl've just said "okay, we won't use lethal force against you, stab our 18 to 20 year old soldiers as much as you please, and we will really appreciate it if you will turn back, too! :) " 3. The Israeli governmant told the Convoy (or whatever word is appropriate) that if they want to get the supplies into Gaza, they shoulod anchor in the Ashdod harbor, and the supplies will be transfered into Gaza, why would they refuse? Oh, now we know, don't we? |
1- The flotilla WASN'T heading to Israeli waters. AND the flotilla made evasive maneuvers to return back when they spotted the israeli forces! Also, the international law only allows for the home forces to engage a ship at most 12 miles off the baseline of their home waters... the flotilla was over 80 miles off the coast, and well over the extended 12 miles.
According to LAW, Israeli illegally attacked and killed civilians.
2- So the civilians should say, "ok, let's allow these pirates to capture us, our ships and our supplies, and maybe even kill us"
3- The israeli government is known to always hold back humanitarian aid to palestine. They only allow atmost 1/4 of the aid necessary to help palestinians.
The Israeli government are terrorists. The blockade they have on Palestine is considered illegal, which is why this incident can cause huge damage to Israel. The Israel forces shouldn't even have been able to intercept the flotilla if it weren't for the illegal blockade.
Slimebeast said:
- engaging a ship that tried to breach a blockade despite warnings
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THEY ILLEGALLY BOARDED AND ATTACKED THE SHIPS!! The israeli forces had NO right to attack the civilian ships in international waters.
THEY HAD NO RIGHT TO BOARD THE SHIPS! Their actions are pretty much like pirates.
It seems you don't understand why no one ever wants to send aid thourgh Israel. Israel holds back on most of the aid, and only sends a tiny portion of it to Palestine. This is highly known...
Israel's blockade is illegal.