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jonnhytesta on 23 May 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
AaronSOLDIER said:
If MS leave the industry after this or next gen, the Sony fans will not forgive them and the company will be fucked.

TBH I haven't enjoyed anything from them since Crisis Core so I don't really care what happens to them.

even if MS doesn't leave,Square Enix's franchises are becoming mediocre and when these franshises don't have any impact in JAPAN and everywhere else.MS will itself stop exclusivity for them and that time they will be fucked either way even with PS platform

this, theiy are loosing their fanbase. also too much milking.



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The Xbox Man on 23 May 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
AaronSOLDIER said:
If MS leave the industry after this or next gen, the Sony fans will not forgive them and the company will be fucked.

TBH I haven't enjoyed anything from them since Crisis Core so I don't really care what happens to them.

even if MS doesn't leave,Square Enix's franchises are becoming mediocre and when these franshises don't have any impact in JAPAN and everywhere else.MS will itself stop exclusivity for them and that time they will be fucked either way even with PS platform

Do you have proof saying their franchises are becoming mediocre? No the opinion of 10 ps3 fans who are still hurt over E3 2008 doesn't count. I'm talking user reviews on a large scale. Playfire is a good source for user reviews, I'll check that.

I have told you before FF7 & FF10 sold so well because JRPG's were big back then (theres a 4 year gap between their releases), people cared about JRPG's. Its been 9 years since a Final Fantasy has sold this well in a generation where no-one cares about JRPG's, people care about FPS games & WRPG's now. be happy FF13 has sold what it sold, I'm shocked its kept itself relevant in this generation by becoming the top selling RPG on consoles.



    
jonnhytesta on 23 May 2010

Mass effect sold pretty bad for the "best" rpg ever. that gives me hope.



The Xbox Man on 23 May 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
The Xbox Man said:
kingofwale said:
The Xbox Man said:
kingofwale said:
NiKKoM said:
Lol.. first people are bitching about FF13 going mulitplatform.. and how it should stayed an exclusive.. and now they are bitching about Nier was to be an exclusive and thank god it went mulitplatform...

Anyway.. it's a Cavia game.. they haven't made any PS3 game before but they did some 360 games... so it's not strange they targeted the 360.. they probably got some help from SE to get it on the PS3..

the key word is... Does it grow the brand???


I bring the example of GTA4. which clearly is a great move going multi. Since it sold much better.

 

but with SE. is it worth the extra effort and manpower and delay to gain the what? 1 and half million xbox sales LT???

 

And more ridiculously, is it really worth the cash to bring many and many of its title as time xbox exclusive?

Yes, you do get cash up front, but are you growing your brand? To me, the answer is no.

 

look no further than SE's profit

Last time I checked GTA4 sold less than GTA:SA.

Last time I checked FF13 is on its way to sell much more than FF12 & be one of the most successful (possibly outselling FF7 in europe) Final Fantasie's in the west (where it was multiplat).

No you sound ridiculous, you PS3 fans spent the majority of last week saying how multiplat games sell less than exclusive ones, now your moving goalposts hahaha.

last time I checked, FF13 going multiplaform did not come close to achieve the effect as GTA4 going multi.

Sadly, FF13's success has more to do with the recent explosion of PS3 sales than anything xbox contributed. Frankly, if the game HAD been exclusive, with less privacy, SE would be making more money. What's the latest download torrent for FF13??? 2.1 million?

But more critical mistakes by SE is making some games time exclusive (or exclusive all together) for xbox.

What effect are you looking for? GTA4 isn't selling as well as the previous GTA which is San Andreas

FF13 in the west (where its multi) has already outsold the previous Final Fantasy (12) & is on its way to reach FF8/FF10 level sales, in europe FF7 level sales. Is that not an effect? Is the xbox not contributing there? Is it just the PS3 thats helped it reach that number? The region where FF13 is exclusive is where it has underperformed.

Torrents don't matter since people who get games of torrents don't usually buy them.

 

FF13 would have been lower if priced higher more more weeks.just because it sold well overall doesn't hide the fact that it would have brought less revenue than the other titles

 

and o'm not just talking about 360 version sales here but also about PS3 versions sales,PS3 version would have benfited from the hype and publicity if exclusive and more work on it for the bad review scores it got.

and its not just the current FF we are talking about,this would effect further FF games sales too as it is no longer the defintive game atleast by quality and reviews prove it

 

GTA4 sold pretty well at that stage in the GEN.

 

 

If demand is there it will be bought eventually, price changes don't change the LTD of games sales.

PS3 version didn't benefit in Japan where it performed disapointing numbers.

In critics minds yes Final Fantasy isn't definitive, but like I said user reviews are positive & new people that the game has bought in on a majority like it so that won't hurt sales. In the mind of the critics yes the franchise is hurt.

GTA4 sold well for its time yes, FF13 has sold well in a gen where no-one cares about JRPG's, both are facts you should accept.



    
The Xbox Man on 23 May 2010
jonnhytesta said:
Mass effect sold pretty bad for the "best" rpg ever. that gives me hope.

Mass Effect 2 is one of the best RPG's of all time, no doubts. However on a large scale its word of mouth was hindered due to the fact you had to play the first game to like it & because it changed many RPG elements. While critics loved it the word of mouth wasn't as positive as critics. You saw the same situation with GTA4.



    
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Wagram on 23 May 2010

Amazing how 1.91M sales is disappointing now. Man most of the HD game sales this gen just suck a horses ass then.



Hero_time88 on 23 May 2010
The Xbox Man said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
The Xbox Man said:
kingofwale said:
NiKKoM said:
Lol.. first people are bitching about FF13 going mulitplatform.. and how it should stayed an exclusive.. and now they are bitching about Nier was to be an exclusive and thank god it went mulitplatform...

Anyway.. it's a Cavia game.. they haven't made any PS3 game before but they did some 360 games... so it's not strange they targeted the 360.. they probably got some help from SE to get it on the PS3..

the key word is... Does it grow the brand???


I bring the example of GTA4. which clearly is a great move going multi. Since it sold much better.

 

but with SE. is it worth the extra effort and manpower and delay to gain the what? 1 and half million xbox sales LT???

 

And more ridiculously, is it really worth the cash to bring many and many of its title as time xbox exclusive?

Yes, you do get cash up front, but are you growing your brand? To me, the answer is no.

 

look no further than SE's profit

Last time I checked GTA4 sold less than GTA:SA.

Last time I checked FF13 is on its way to sell much more than FF12 & be one of the most successful (possibly outselling FF7 in europe) Final Fantasie's in the west (where it was multiplat).

No you sound ridiculous, you PS3 fans spent the majority of last week saying how multiplat games sell less than exclusive ones, now your moving goalposts hahaha.

GTA4 in 2008 when PS3 sales were low benefited alot from going multi-plat and at that dtage in a GEN did very well with console sales being low

 

FF13 on the other hand sold badly accoring to its expectations and the platforms HW sales.Just because it sold better than FF12 doesn't mean it was better than GTA4 performance

FF13 hype and everything surrounding it plus it being the first FF this gen had bad sales,if PS3 has the old $399 price tag,it would have doen even worse

 

kingofwale is  correct and not atlall sounding ridiculous.

ok i'm done talking with you. Anyone saying they are bad sales shouldn't even be on a sales site.

@johnytesta

According to user reviews FF13 is loved by many many people, thats why it has sold so much & the fact xbox 360 helped it in sales.

user reviews where pretty mixed:

Customer Reviews

Final Fantasy XIII

137 Reviews
5 star:    (34)
4 star:    (33)
3 star:    (29)
2 star:    (25)
1 star:    (16)
 
 
  
 

http://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-XIII-Xbox-360/dp/B001CMIUYS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1274626123&sr=8-2

And it won't surpass FFVIII or FFX by any means. They might ship some more units this winter with the release of a budget version, and it looks like the Chinese edition might sell decently (which VGchartz probably won't track), but that's about it.

 

 



The Xbox Man on 23 May 2010
Wagram said:
Amazing how 1.91M sales is disappointing now. Man most of the HD game sales this gen just suck a horses ass then.

At least I'm not saying the total worldwide sales of the game are "bad" like solidsnake_4RD said.



    
rutea7 on 23 May 2010

i'm not surprised....



Solid_Snake4RD on 23 May 2010
The Xbox Man said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
The Xbox Man said:
kingofwale said:
NiKKoM said:
Lol.. first people are bitching about FF13 going mulitplatform.. and how it should stayed an exclusive.. and now they are bitching about Nier was to be an exclusive and thank god it went mulitplatform...

Anyway.. it's a Cavia game.. they haven't made any PS3 game before but they did some 360 games... so it's not strange they targeted the 360.. they probably got some help from SE to get it on the PS3..

the key word is... Does it grow the brand???


I bring the example of GTA4. which clearly is a great move going multi. Since it sold much better.

 

but with SE. is it worth the extra effort and manpower and delay to gain the what? 1 and half million xbox sales LT???

 

And more ridiculously, is it really worth the cash to bring many and many of its title as time xbox exclusive?

Yes, you do get cash up front, but are you growing your brand? To me, the answer is no.

 

look no further than SE's profit

Last time I checked GTA4 sold less than GTA:SA.

Last time I checked FF13 is on its way to sell much more than FF12 & be one of the most successful (possibly outselling FF7 in europe) Final Fantasie's in the west (where it was multiplat).

No you sound ridiculous, you PS3 fans spent the majority of last week saying how multiplat games sell less than exclusive ones, now your moving goalposts hahaha.

GTA4 in 2008 when PS3 sales were low benefited alot from going multi-plat and at that dtage in a GEN did very well with console sales being low

 

FF13 on the other hand sold badly accoring to its expectations and the platforms HW sales.Just because it sold better than FF12 doesn't mean it was better than GTA4 performance

FF13 hype and everything surrounding it plus it being the first FF this gen had bad sales,if PS3 has the old $399 price tag,it would have doen even worse

 

kingofwale is  correct and not atlall sounding ridiculous.

ok i'm done talking with you. Anyone saying they are bad sales shouldn't even be on a sales site.

@johnytesta

According to user reviews FF13 is loved by many many people, thats why it has sold so much & the fact xbox 360 helped it in sales.

oh you don't like people proving you wong so you stop talking to them


Anyone saying they are bad sales shouldn't even be on a sales site - LMAO

 

jsut because i said and FF13's sales were bad,I should be on a sales site.WTF does that mean?Here members track sales but just because they are sales doesn't mean they can't be bad

 

according to user reviews alot of people hated it too and it was't as high as other FF games and revoews were way below par,

360 helped its sales but PS3 sales alone would have been higher with the exclusivity